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Old 07-10-2010, 06:31 PM
 
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From a pretty respected Washington Post columnist, challenging the claim that illegal immigration has led to border town and/or state increases in violent crimes:

The entire premise of the Arizona immigration law is a fallacy. Arizona officials say they've had to step in because federal officials aren't doing enough to stem increasing border violence. The scary claims of violence, in turn, explain why the American public supports the Arizona crackdown...Two months ago, the Arizona Republic published an exhaustive report that found that, according to statistics from the FBI and Arizona police agencies, crime in Arizona border towns has been "essentially flat for the past decade." For example, "In 2000, there were 23 rapes, robberies and murders in Nogales, Ariz. Last year, despite nearly a decade of population growth, there were 19 such crimes."

FBI statistics show violent crime rates in all of the border states are lower than they were a decade ago -- yet Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) reports that the violence is "the worst I have ever seen."


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Old 07-10-2010, 07:13 PM
 
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Crime one; Walking in our door.
See it started already right from the get go.

Document fraud; usually crime #2, it continues from there to support the first crime.

Doesn't have to be robbery, kidnapping, and such to still be a crime.
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Old 07-10-2010, 07:19 PM
 
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From a pretty respected Washington Post columnist, challenging the claim that illegal immigration has led to border town and/or state increases in violent crimes:

The entire premise of the Arizona immigration law is a fallacy. Arizona officials say they've had to step in because federal officials aren't doing enough to stem increasing border violence. The scary claims of violence, in turn, explain why the American public supports the Arizona crackdown...Two months ago, the Arizona Republic published an exhaustive report that found that, according to statistics from the FBI and Arizona police agencies, crime in Arizona border towns has been "essentially flat for the past decade." For example, "In 2000, there were 23 rapes, robberies and murders in Nogales, Ariz. Last year, despite nearly a decade of population growth, there were 19 such crimes."

FBI statistics show violent crime rates in all of the border states are lower than they were a decade ago -- yet Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) reports that the violence is "the worst I have ever seen."

washingtonpost.com
The fact that Arizona has a half million illegal aliens in their state is reason enough to implement SB1070. Many of these I am sure are criminals and drug cartels and the rest are just taxpayer benefit suckees, job stealers, tax evaders, and I.D. forgers. Seems like enough of a list to me.
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Old 07-10-2010, 07:58 PM
 
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Crime one; Walking in our door.
See it started already right from the get go.

Document fraud; usually crime #2, it continues from there to support the first crime.

Doesn't have to be robbery, kidnapping, and such to still be a crime.
Obviously you are one of those that believes illegal is illegal. Am I to assume that every time you go over the speed limit, you report yourself to the police and pay the fine?
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Old 07-10-2010, 08:06 PM
 
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Obviously you are one of those that believes illegal is illegal. Am I to assume that every time you go over the speed limit, you report yourself to the police and pay the fine?
Ba da Bing! I think of this every single day as some guy whizes by me in his F-150 doing 65-70 in a 45 MPH work zone.
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Old 07-10-2010, 08:09 PM
 
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Obviously you are one of those that believes illegal is illegal. Am I to assume that every time you go over the speed limit, you report yourself to the police and pay the fine?
That speed limit argument is getting old. Just because Americans aren't perfect as no humans are that doesn't mean we should be obligated to be overrun with illegal aliens and not have immigration laws nor to enforce them.
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Old 07-10-2010, 08:11 PM
 
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That speed limit argument is getting old. Just because Americans aren't perfect as no humans are that doesn't mean we should be obligated to be overrun with illegal aliens and not have immigration laws nor to enforce them.
So you admit the speed limit argument is getting as old as illegal is illegal? Is that fair?
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Old 07-10-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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Obviously you are one of those that believes illegal is illegal. Am I to assume that every time you go over the speed limit, you report yourself to the police and pay the fine?

I don't exceed the limit.
Are you still beating your spouse?
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Old 07-10-2010, 08:14 PM
 
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So you admit the speed limit argument is getting as old as illegal is illegal? Is that fair?
No, illegal IS illegal. Look it up in the dictionary.
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Old 07-10-2010, 08:31 PM
 
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I don't exceed the limit.
Are you still beating your spouse?
How dare you! If I wanted to see a good beating, I would watch Arizona lawmakers beat up the constitution instead.

Also, I'll admit I do speed from time to time. And obviously, when I take the high road, I blow past everyone else.
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