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Old 03-15-2012, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I'll take "back door immigration Citizenship cheaters for 100" and the win!
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Old 03-15-2012, 10:07 AM
 
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I totally agree. And, if he truly loves his children, he will never stop fighting to have them reunited with him in Mexico. This is something La Raza, et al. should champion, since they claim to be advocates for Hispanic "immigrants." Rather than trying to guilt this country into allowing illegals to remain here with their children, they should be working on strategies for family reunification in their homelands. If family reunification is actually their goal, it shouldn't matter where they live, as long as they're together. But, they seem to believe families should only remain intact within the borders of the USA. I wonder why.
Reconquista, political and ethnic control through numbers?
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:56 PM
 
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You just won an additional $100 and the game!
Unfortunately the American public lost. We lost control of our borders, our community, our schools, our roads, our hospitals and our tax dollars. We've gained the right to learn Spanish, pay college tuition for illegals, prop up Latin American dictators and get called racists when we object.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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Unfortunately the American public lost. We lost control of our borders, our community, our schools, our roads, our hospitals and our tax dollars. We've gained the right to learn Spanish, pay college tuition for illegals, prop up Latin American dictators and get called racists when we object.
That pretty much sums it up.
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Unfortunately the American public lost. We lost control of our borders, our community, our schools, our roads, our hospitals and our tax dollars. We've gained the right to learn Spanish, pay college tuition for illegals, prop up Latin American dictators and get called racists when we object.
You also gained the right to cheap labor, lining CEO's wallets and destroying families at will, all in the name of American consumerism. This is why I am for free markets and open borders, at least then the first 2 things can happen without the 3rd.
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:34 PM
 
Location: California
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You also gained the right to cheap labor, lining CEO's wallets and destroying families at will, all in the name of American consumerism. This is why I am for free markets and open borders, at least then the first 2 things can happen without the 3rd.
You miss the fact that many come here of their own free will, as a "rite of passage" for most, for their own economical/status gain. They left their own families in their nations, come here and make new families only to get deported back to their old families (so who is really destroying families?) Free Market? you fail to understand exactly what the free market is, you are proposing Market Socialism. Open borders does nothing but rob economically from one country and give to another.
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:40 PM
 
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You also gained the right to cheap labor, lining CEO's wallets and destroying families at will, all in the name of American consumerism. This is why I am for free markets and open borders, at least then the first 2 things can happen without the 3rd.
What good is cheap, foreign labor labor when they are taking American jobs and those Americans don't have money to purchase anything but their taxes keep going through the roof paying for their social costs? Where is an American supposed to find work in their own country with your idea of open borders? Jobs will go to the lowest bidder and America will become a third world nation with a lower standard of living for Americans.

Are you ok with the CEO's lining their wallets at the expense of American citizens in this manner? Yes, they are destroying American families are you ok with that also?
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Old 03-15-2012, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Denver
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What good is cheap, foreign labor labor when they are taking American jobs and those Americans don't have money to purchase anything but their taxes keep going through the roof paying for their social costs? Where is an American supposed to find work in their own country with your idea of open borders? Jobs will go to the lowest bidder and America will become a third world nation with a lower standard of living for Americans.

Are you ok with the CEO's lining their wallets at the expense of American citizens in this manner? Yes, they are destroying American families are you ok with that also?
Nope and no! I say open up the visa doors and find a path to legality, therefore they will pay taxes and not come in illegally.
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Old 03-15-2012, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Denver
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You miss the fact that many come here of their own free will, as a "rite of passage" for most, for their own economical/status gain. They left their own families in their nations, come here and make new families only to get deported back to their old families (so who is really destroying families?) Free Market? you fail to understand exactly what the free market is, you are proposing Market Socialism. Open borders does nothing but rob economically from one country and give to another.
Not if they come in legally (Visa) registered and pay taxes.

Also legalize and regulate all narcotics while you are it.

2 wars bound for failure ended in 1 fell swoop.
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Old 03-15-2012, 05:13 PM
 
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Nope and no! I say open up the visa doors and find a path to legality, therefore they will pay taxes and not come in illegally.
We don't need these people though. At least regular Americans don't. What benefit are they to them? The only ones benefiting are the greedy employers for more profit. We have millions of Americans out of work why should we import more workers legally or illegally? If an Americans hadn't lost their jobs to this cheap foreign labor they in turn would be paying those same taxes. Between illegal immigration and outsourcing job opportunities are disappearing for Americans. Whose country is this anyhow?

We don't need this added population growth draining our resources either. We already have over 310 million people in this country that we can't meet the demands for those things. Why aren't you suggesting that the sending countries which is mostly Mexico create jobs for their own citzens instead? There is 2 billion impoverished in this world that need jobs. Should we let them all in? There has to be a cutoff somewhere and with so many Americans out of work we sure don't need to import more foreign workers right now.

This whole open borders discussion is off topic anyway. But you might get something out of this article about open borders.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/221330/look-milton/robert-rector[/quote]
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