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Because they came out in large numbers to vote for him. They're a constituency. People take care of their constituents. Republicans do it all the time. But then, you knew that already.
If "large numbers" is your barometer for his obligation to Hispanic constituents, and if it's only natural for politicians to "take care of" their constituents, why doesn't he have the same obligation to black and Asian voters, both whom voted in higher percentages than Hispanics -- 93 and 73 respectively?
He was elected to be the president for ALL citizens, regardless of race or ethnicity. He was not elected to pander to the demands of Hispanics, especially not to the detriment of others. But then, to my knowledge, black Americans have made no demands, nor have Asians. I suppose they're relying on him to represent all, not just some.
Ok...tell you what. I'll just dead all this and end my argument.
They think they're owed.
The end.
Bye.
I fixed your comment for you.
Now the only thing he can do as President is ask Congress to attempt to put together some sort of Amnesty, he can not force them to do it. Its in the hands of Congress, not the President.
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It make economic sense, it makes political sense, and it's really the only viable solution to the problem.
Of course JTG...these folks on here know better. I don't even know why they're still try'na go hardline at this point. It's a losing proposition and they're STILL wedded to it.
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I fixed your comment for you.
Now the only thing he can do as President is ask Congress to attempt to put together some sort of Amnesty, he can not force them to do it. Its in the hands of Congress, not the President.
That's a pipe dream. You're still thinking that the Republicans in Congress are gonna hold to the old line? The Republicans lost, and losses have consequences.
Right now as i type, the Republicans in Congress are trying to save face. Mostly to keep people like you happy. They want to win elections, but don't wanna be seen trying to pander to the Hispanic vote. Every pundit with half a brain has already said that the Republican party will CAVE to the President's demand for some sort of amnesty and it's also pretty well a given that the Dream Act will pass in some incarnation.
So, really...you're arguing for nothing. The president will drive this debate, not congress.
That's a pipe dream. You're still thinking that the Republicans in Congress are gonna hold to the old line? The Republicans lost, and losses have consequences.
Right now as i type, the Republicans in Congress are trying to save face. Mostly to keep people like you happy. They want to win elections, but don't wanna be seen trying to pander to the Hispanic vote. Every pundit with half a brain has already said that the Republican party will CAVE to the President's demand for some sort of amnesty and it's also pretty well a given that the Dream Act will pass in some incarnation.
So, really...you're arguing for nothing. The president will drive this debate, not congress.
It was 5 Democrats that stopped the last DREAM Act attempt. Besides I'm for legalization of illegals, give them all H2A non-immigrant visas, allow them to work in the AG field, the ones that can't get jobs can be sent home. Really simple. Keep in mind that Obamas press conference the other day he only said legalization, he did not say a path to citizenship, this has PO a lot of the advocacy groups that "he owes".
Personally, I don't think Congress will get anything passed when it comes to immigration, the Republicans will say the DACA policy is enough right now. Or if they do get something going I'll bet that the ITIN users lose any and all credits they can apply for when filing their tax forms, since they receive back more then $7B then they pay in. But what do i know, right?
It was 5 Democrats that stopped the last DREAM Act attempt. Besides I'm for legalization of illegals, give them all H2A non-immigrant visas, allow them to work in the AG field, the ones that can't get jobs can be sent home. Really simple. Keep in mind that Obamas press conference the other day he only said legalization, he did not say a path to citizenship, this has PO a lot of the advocacy groups that "he owes".
Personally, I don't think Congress will get anything passed when it comes to immigration, the Republicans will say the DACA policy is enough right now. Or if they do get something going I'll bet that the ITIN users lose any and all credits they can apply for when filing their tax forms, since they receive back more then $7B then they pay in. But what do i know, right?
Wow, we might finally be close to agreement. Why provide any notion of citizenship when that may not even be desired? Ideally, that temporary labor eventually returns to their homelands, and help those communities become better.
That requires changes to some structures we have had in place for decades. It is a given that "jus soli" will need to go away. Taxation and social programs be required to adjust smartly, but many of the funding issues can be solved for a very long time.
Happy Thanksgiving, there is much to be thankful for...
Wow, we might finally be close to agreement. Why provide any notion of citizenship when that may not even be desired? Ideally, that temporary labor eventually returns to their homelands, and help those communities become better.
That requires changes to some structures we have had in place for decades. It is a given that "jus soli" will need to go away. Taxation and social programs be required to adjust smartly, but many of the funding issues can be solved for a very long time.
Happy Thanksgiving, there is much to be thankful for...
I have always held this position, from my first few comments on this forum, it's nothing new.
So, Obama "owes" Latinos amnesty? Do tell. I wonder what he owes the millions of non-Hispanic voters whose votes gave him a second term.
In the end many people do vote for a president expecting they get what they want from him if they vote for him. Teachers want this, blacks want that, women want this, men want this, and on, and on, and on, and keep going to an endless list, not just latinos.
Will they get what they want from the president? I do not know. What I do know is that the latino vote is recornize as a vote that is more critical in elections. Also, women vote is recognized as critical and given credit for his re-election. Did women vote not expecting Obama to do thing they want that is important to them? Sure they did so it is not only latinos that expect something in return. Take care.
PR1: it aint over just yet. Going by Obama's record 2008 to 2012; he hasn't done much for illegal aliens except for DACA.
If it were only Obama we had to worry about I might have a smidgen of hope that we could turn this nightmare around. Unfortunately, the majority are panderers on both sides of the aisle.
In the end many people do vote for a president expecting they get what they want from him if they vote for him. Teachers want this, blacks want that, women want this, men want this, and on, and on, and on, and keep going to an endless list, not just latinos.
Will they get what they want from the president? I do not know. What I do know is that the latino vote is recornize as a vote that is more critical in elections. Also, women vote is recognized as critical and given credit for his re-election. Did women vote not expecting Obama to do thing they want that is important to them? Sure they did so it is not only latinos that expect something in return. Take care.
It goes without saying, most voters either support or oppose a candidate based on his/her stance on issues they deem important. But, the question that has yet to be answered, is WHY is the Latino vote "more important" than others? Do you actually think Obama could have been re-elected without the overwhelming support from black voters? What about the 73% of Asians who voted for him? Had either group chosen to vote for Romney by the same percentage they voted for Obama, would Obama have won a second term? I think not. Yet, Hispanics are the ONLY group claiming Obama "owes" them something.
Other groups may "expect" Obama to address their issues and concerns, but none have openly stated he "owes" them something, or else. In fact, I daresay, had black Americans made such a claim, there would be so much outrage, it would be deafening. Not to mention, Obama would promptly tell them to stop whining.
I found a rather interesting article written by Tavis Smiley. According to the comments, most black folks don't believe Obama "owes" them anything. In fact, Tavis has been vilified for daring to suggest such.
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With all due respect to the formidable coalition of Latinos, women, and young voters, Barack Obama would not be sitting in the Oval Office right now had Black folk stayed home in their "house slippers." African Americans are his most loyal constituency and everybody in the Obama reelection campaign and in the Obama White House knows it. The president owes Black folk. BIG time.
We celebrate this electoral victory today, but what about tomorrow? How tragic would it be at the end of eight years to be confronted by economic data which suggests (as the data does now) that in the Obama era Black folk lost ground in every single leading economic indicator category? I shudder at the very thought. So should you.
Are we going to be the last of the loud, or just the last?
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