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They offer the skill of being willing to work their butts off in our dirty low wage/low education jobs. This is totally undervalued in my opinion. I personally have no interest in washing dishes, cleaning hotel rooms, picking crops, cleaning toilets, roofing houses, etc. I'm thankful for immigrants filling most of those positions.
They wouldn't be nearly as low wage and the conditions would be better IF immigrants didnt flood our job market in the first place. There was no shortage of white Americans willing to do these hard dirty jobs decades ago. If you and many others would never"lower" yourselves to the level of doing these jobs and have no interest in them, then fine don't do them. But don't support the huge undercutting of wages and working conditions for American citizens who would otherwise be perfectly willing to do these jobs. To do so is being basically a total traitor to working class Americans.
Whats next, we replace all American manufacturing jobs with illegals and third world immigrants? Then move up to nurses and accountants? Those good jobs are gonna start to look like more bad underpaid jobs that nobody wants to do. "Oh well, I never wanted to be a nurse or accountant, I'm thankful somebody will do those jobs while I'm working my government high end job."
They wouldn't be nearly as low wage and the conditions would be better IF immigrants didnt flood our job market in the first place. There was no shortage of white Americans willing to do these hard dirty jobs decades ago. If you and many others would never"lower" yourselves to the level of doing these jobs and have no interest in them, then fine don't do them. But don't support the huge undercutting of wages and working conditions for American citizens who would otherwise be perfectly willing to do these jobs. To do so is being basically a total traitor to working class Americans.
Whats next, we replace all American manufacturing jobs with illegals and third world immigrants? Then move up to nurses and accountants? Those good jobs are gonna start to look like more bad underpaid jobs that nobody wants to do. "Oh well, I never wanted to be a nurse or accountant, I'm thankful somebody will do those jobs while I'm working my government high end job."
Agreed tho many Black Americans don't have a problem doing that kind of work either.
So you acknowledge that there is a path but good majority won't be able to gain residence because it is expensive, difficult and takes a long time? OK? It's good to know that it's very difficult, we don't need to import poor people with zero skills. An engineer can probably afford it, will easily find work and will be a net positive on our society.
No, I'm saying that because of the few legal residence options available currently, none apply to them. Thus, there is no path.
So what? What entitles them to come here? Why not work at home? Why not find another path? What about other countries?
Why are you so anti-immigrant? So jobs are available to them here. Why not let them come here and work these low-level jobs nobody else wants and let them make this place their home?
If that happened you do realize the country would have a massive labor shortage in our fields, restaurants, custodial services, meatpacking plants, and in construction....this point cannot be argued.
Nope! Not true at all. Also, with meatpacking (coming from KS minutes from it), it has become highly mechanized and there is no place for uneducated workers who do not speak English. Restaurants? Not a problem, right now high school and college kids who normally do those jobs can't find work because the illegal aliens are filling those jobs. And construction, don't even go there, so many American craftsmen have been replaced using illegals doing shoddy work.
I'm willing to try it out. There will be some impact but I really doubt the sky will fall like the bleeding hearts make out to be. The market will correct itself.
Yes, it will, note my links above, people are waiting for this to happen.
Nothing bad about wages going UP for Americans and legal aliens. I don't believe in slavery even tho many illegal alien fans DO.
Many illegal alien sympathizers don't realize the conditions that illegal aliens work under and the constant threat that if they speak out against exploitation, they would be apprehended. Also, so much money is made by slum lords, here, houses that should be torn down are rented out and drive the cost of rent up for other individuals, no one could imagine what a dumpy house here rents for because they can get it. I don't know what is wrong with the town officials - corrupt I suppose, probably slum lords themselves.
It has already been demonstrated that the increase in wages would add very little to the cost and that the cry the crops would rot in the fields is nothing but a lie as there is an unlimited number of agricultural visas available, but then again, farmers would be required to pay a fair wage and not treat the employees like less than humans which is something the farmers have no interest in.
As far as a pathway, we have rules in place. There have been a lot of things in life where there was no "pathway" for me to have them, rather than pouting about it and blaming others, I made do with what my circumstances were.
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Are you making a toast to me or calling me the butcher? Why are you so interested in keeping illegals here?
By the way, 11 million people will not be apprehended and deported instantly. The reality, unfortunately, is that they won't be able to get most of them and it will take a long time to make a significant impact.
The chipping away at illegal aliens will greatly help, encourage some who can't take the pressure to leave on their own and discourage others from coming in.
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My whole argument goes back to the multiple comments made suggesting that illegal immigrants could simply go back to their country of origin and apply for a visa or green card....it's a blatantly misleading statement and I'm sick of people propagating such rubbish.
This forum area is for illegal immigration. You might try discussing this under legal immigration above. We have no obligation to allow immigrants into the country at a time when there are no jobs for our own people. Many legal immigrants also live off the taxpayers. http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households
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Yes, it can be argued. Who do you think did all those jobs before we were infested with illegals? Americans did them and they were paid a decent wage to do so. Americans didn't live in overcrowded flophouses and destroy entire neighborhoods. They lived 1 family per home and took care of their properties.
Americans still do those jobs. Even in immigrant-heavy cities, you will see Americans cleaning the hotel rooms and working back of the house restaurant jobs.
As for "the fields" --- farmers have access to an agricultural visa program that has no caps. When GA and AL got tough on illegals, illegals left in droves. Sleazy farmers who refused to use the guest worker program lost their illegals. Honest farmers who used the program had no problems getting their crops picked.
If all illegals were removed from the country, Americans would take their places. Any business that hires illegals or caters to them is a diseased business that needs to die.
Yes, it would be no problem. So many of these jobs can be done on a part-time basis. Many Americans in order to make ends meet work 2 jobs, my neighbor had 3 jobs to pay off hospital bills, Medicaid didn't pay theirs, too many illegal aliens suck down those funds.
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They offer the skill of being willing to work their butts off in our dirty low wage/low education jobs. This is totally undervalued in my opinion. I personally have no interest in washing dishes, cleaning hotel rooms, picking crops, cleaning toilets, roofing houses, etc. I'm thankful for immigrants filling most of those positions.
They shouldn't be working at all. They do not have the right to work in the USA. I have worked my butt off on similar jobs with an education because that was the jobs that were available although I have not worked with illegal aliens, I worked for employers that did hire legal immigrants though.
I don't understand why you for thankful for immigrants filling the positions when at the same time, you are complaining about no pathway to citizenship. I thought you were outside the US and wanting to immigrate into the country. Are you perhaps an employer of illegal aliens, thus your support and thankfulness? One that exploits rather than sympathizes? Yeah, you just discounted your entire argument. When "push comes to shove" I am sure Americans will be able to clean their own toilets and wash their own dishes!"
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So...you consider illegals to be just about slave labor that can be easily exploited?
Illegals have no skills. All those jobs you mentioned are unskilled labor except for roofing houses. Americans want those roofing jobs. However, honest contractors in the construction fields can't compete with sleazy contractors who hire illegals and pay them under the table.
All those unskilled jobs you mention are honest work. In my younger days, I did my share of minimum wage jobs.
In everywhere but the wealthy areas of the east and west coast, people do those jobs, citizens. If we tighten welfare, more will be interested.
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Agreed tho many Black Americans don't have a problem doing that kind of work either.
Neither do people in most areas of the country. It is called having a good work ethic and taking personal responsibility. When you love an area of the country and/or want to stay close to family/friends, you do the jobs that are available.
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No, I'm saying that because of the few legal residence options available currently, none apply to them. Thus, there is no path.
Of them apply to who? You? I just don't understand where you coming from. Anyone that hires illegal aliens who have no right to work in the US should go to jail when they start the workplace raids again.
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So what? What entitles them to come here? Why not work at home? Why not find another path? What about other countries?
Freebies! They can afford to work for less because the taxpayers pay to birth and raise their kids. Nothing "entitles" them to anything here, they are basically thieves!
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