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Old 12-05-2008, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Well, ya know...I can only go off of the evidence presented.....

And now, this college girl is off to work. I cannot live by loans alone, know what I mean?
But it hasn't been presented..?
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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But it hasn't been presented..?
According to you only.
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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According to you only.
So do you want to enlighten me?
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:46 PM
 
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So do you want to enlighten me?
No.......we would be more entertaind if you were to enlighten us.

Your stance is ambiguous at best..................Your post appear not consistent.............and your points muddled. My point is you have no point that I can grasp but ............I certainly would appreciate clarification.
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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No.......we would be more entertaind if you were to enlighten us.

Your stance is ambiguous at best..................Your post appear not consistent.............and your points muddled. My point is you have no point that I can grasp but ............I certainly would appreciate clarification.
Again, post links and quotes to back up your accusations, or keep them to yourselves.
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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No.......we would be more entertaind if you were to enlighten us.

Your stance is ambiguous at best..................Your post appear not consistent.............and your points muddled. My point is you have no point that I can grasp but ............I certainly would appreciate clarification.
And the pro illegal alien crowd grows more desperate by the day as the economy implodes.

We ain't seen nuttin' yet re: forced deportations of same along with their minor age Anchor Babies.
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:15 PM
 
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Again, post links and quotes to back up your accusations, or keep them to yourselves.
No.........I think not...............
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:19 PM
 
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No.........I think not...............
Yeah, I wouldn't either if I had nothing to go on.
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:50 PM
 
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Yeah, I wouldn't either if I had nothing to go on.
Doesn'tmatter wither I have "anything" to go on. As stated previously, its your assertion , I merely asked YOU to prove it......
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Old 12-06-2008, 10:17 AM
 
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Again, I appreciate intelligent discourse, so I'm going to give factual annotation as retort to antialphabet's contention that my reportage on illegals changing everything around them for the worse could be provincially based. No. It's universal. And there's a well known book compiling this devastation in my particular state that will spell it out for you.

The best collection of facts on same would be "Mexifornia" by Fresno College professor Victor Hansen. It is not hysterical in the slightest, not propaganda, not even right wing at all, and remains highly sympathetic to both American citizens and illegals. His immediate milieu is Central California, not Los Angeles. But his facts ring out: illegal immigration is horrendously terrible to both these groups with whom he so empathizes.

He traces our last thirty years of doing practically everything wrong, from lax regulation and reversals of common sense about immigration to fomenting the pro-Balkanization, ethnic separatism via anti-American multiculturalism. The former American models of assimilationism, with its emphasis on the common protocols and heritage of American culture and laws that unite us all, could have retained and embraced all the ethnic pride in one's ancestors from foreign countries that any family ever could want without the current ball and chain of tribalistic, separatist anti-Americanism.

He outlines the actual statistics in illegals that have made my state sink from top ten to 46th in the nation in public education which mirror bilingual adjustments; how areas that become hispanicized with illegals as opposed to with born or naturalized citizens of hispanic heritage transmogrify same areas into permanent poverty and illiteracy; the erosion of entry level wages; the juggernaut of increasing state budget deficits to provide more law enforcement, prisons, translations and services for millions upon millions who continue to arrive illegally in California from Mexico.

His conclusion, my conclusion, and your conclusion should you read this book will match that of Californian labor rights' leader/activist Cesar Chavez: illegals hurt everyone. They also turn everything around them into a virtual apartheid of laws favoring illegals with U.S. citizens paying the bills for illegals. With this sea change, as has happened in California, all American citizens and legal immigrants in the system alike lose everything good about our quality of life forever. This could range from minor -wouldn't you like to celebrate Cinco de Mayo as everyone else in the U.S. does St. Patrick's Day, instead of it taking precedence over July 4th, Christmas and Memorial Day combined as it does here in L.A.?- to major - a projection from the book after the panoply of facts quoted, excerpted for brevity:

"Our multicultural state would have the veneer of a new alternate identity; but in fact, it would combine the worst attributes of both nations, a dumbing-down of both languages, and radical and scary individualism shorn of both the Anglo-saxon-inspired allegiance to the letter of the law and the traditional Mexican familial and religious bedrock values. The law as we know it- in matters of citizenship, voting, legal status, driving and liability- would matter little, ignored when inconvenient, turned to only in extremis."

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