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Old 11-01-2014, 09:28 PM
 
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Beheading is mentioned countless times, throughout Islamic doctrine.
it was muhammeds favorite killing.

As posted earlier, Muhammed beheaded 600 to 900 male Jews.

This is an important part of islam, and the founding of medina.

 
Old 11-01-2014, 09:52 PM
 
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Beheading is mentioned countless times, throughout Islamic doctrine.
it was muhammeds favorite killing.

As posted earlier, Muhammed beheaded 600 to 900 male Jews.

This is an important part of islam, and the founding of medina.
While that is true and the Jewish version of the History of Medina does verify the existence of Muhammad(saws) and Islan, the unsettled question is who was the aggressor.


The Muslim claim is the Jews violated the treaties. The Jewish claim is Muhammad(saws) engaged in unprecedented genocide.

The Jewish view:

HERE

Either view gives the view that Muhammad(saws) was a real person and Islam was well developed during his lifetime. A non-Muslim agreement that Muhammad(saws) was an actual person and Islam existed long before Ishaq.
 
Old 11-01-2014, 09:53 PM
 
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Guiding the believers to what they should employ in their fights against the idolators, Allah says,
(So, when you meet those who disbelieve (in battle), smite their necks) which means, `when you fight against them, cut them down totally with your swords.'
(until you have fully defeated them,) meaning, `you have killed and utterly destroyed them.'
(tighten their bonds.) `This is referring to the prisoners of war whom you have captured. Later on, after the war ends and the conflict has ceased, you have a choice in regard to the captives: You may either act graciously toward them by setting them free without charge, or free them for a ransom that you require from them.' It appears that this Ayah was revealed after the battle of Badr. At that time, Allah reproached the believers for sparing many of the enemy's soldiers, and holding too many captives in order to take ransom from them. So He said then:
(It is not for a Prophet to have captives of war until he had made a great slaughter (among the enemies) in the land. You desire the commodities of this world, but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. Allah is Mighty and Wise. Were it not for a prior decree from Allah, a severe torment would have touched you for what you took.) (8:67-68) Allah's saying,
(...until the war lays down its burden.)
 
Old 11-01-2014, 09:56 PM
 
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While that is true and the Jewish version of the History of Medina does verify the existence of Muhammad(saws) and Islan, the unsettled question is who was the aggressor.


The Muslim claim is the Jews violated the treaties. The Jewish claim is Muhammad(saws) engaged in unprecedented genocide.

The Jewish view:

HERE

Either view gives the view that Muhammad(saws) was a real person and Islam was well developed during his lifetime. A non-Muslim agreement that Muhammad(saws) was an actual person and Islam existed long before Ishaq.
There is no jewish version from the time, the earliest is a Christian version, and muhammed is not mentioned.

Other that "The Mahood," ( The chosea one", and the "godless pagans", there is no mention until over 100 years later.
 
Old 11-02-2014, 01:59 AM
 
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And there were no treaties, other than the muslims demanding protection money, and when it was not paid, the people were slaughtered, sometimes even when they paid the money, they were killed anyway.
 
Old 11-02-2014, 09:14 AM
 
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And there were no treaties, other than the muslims demanding protection money, and when it was not paid, the people were slaughtered, sometimes even when they paid the money, they were killed anyway.
Your sort of forgetting the Treaty of Tripoli.

You know, the one that specifically says the USA is NOT a christian nation? Want chapter and verse on that one?
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Ain't history grand?
 
Old 11-02-2014, 12:55 PM
 
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Your sort of forgetting the Treaty of Tripoli.

You know, the one that specifically says the USA is NOT a christian nation? Want chapter and verse on that one?
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Ain't history grand?
Except for one small part.

when this was happening there was no United States, it was 1400 years ago.

History is great, when you know what you are talking about.
 
Old 11-02-2014, 01:09 PM
 
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Except for one small part.

when this was happening there was no United States, it was 1400 years ago.

History is great, when you know what you are talking about.
Glad you agree that the USA was not founded as a christian nation.
 
Old 11-02-2014, 01:29 PM
 
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Glad you agree that the USA was not founded as a christian nation.
I believe this was covered beore.

The founding fathers, though there were Christians, the influence was through the atheists and deists, Jefferson, etc.

They wanted, a Christian society with a Christian type, set of common laws and boundaries, but did not agree with the religion itself, Like the Norway killer.
 
Old 11-05-2014, 11:09 PM
 
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Christians lynched for allegedly burning Koran - the religion of peace, again.

Mob lynches Christian couple in Pakistan, dozens arrested
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