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Where do you get the idea that some Jews thought a man was God? Please don't say the gospels, found in what is termed the new testament, for that is not what they teach. That a man/Jesus is God is nothing more then a stupid man made doctrine that some christian thought up in the early church and most christians today believe. However just because most christians believe something does not make it a correct belief.
It would seem we agree that just because part of a group holds a belief doesn't make it authoritative for the whole group.
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As for the book of enoch it was just a passing comment on how neither Jew nor christian believe it to be inspired, however at least some Jews and some christians believe it is.
And I responded to your comment. That is how a discussion typically takes place.
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What makes them wrong for believing in the book of enoch and most of the Jews today right for not believing in the book of enoch?
Because we can trace the majority view back to before the Book of Enoch and the Dead Sea Scrolls were written, and we know that both contain unorthodox ideas.
It would seem we agree that just because part of a group holds a belief doesn't make it authoritative for the whole group.
And I responded to your comment. That is how a discussion typically takes place.
Because we can trace the majority view back to before the Book of Enoch and the Dead Sea Scrolls were written, and we know that both contain unorthodox ideas.
Ironically that is almost the same thing Christians tell me concering the book of Enock.
But what makes the majority view correct?
Ironically that is almost the same thing Christians tell me concering the book of Enock.
But what makes the majority view correct?
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Originally Posted by JB from NC
Because it is the one that comes from Torah.
Look, you're free to believe whatever you wish. And if that includes the Book of Enoch being the truth, then knock yourself out.
But this is the "Ask a Jew Thread", and the Jewish answer is that it is not canonical nor authoritative. We base that on the fact that it goes against what we know from Torah, and it represents an unorthodox theological position. Our religion is focused on how we live, and we have a lot of ideas bouncing around within Judaism; as long as they don't go against Torah and don't go too far from home it's OK.
But if they cross that line, they fall to the wayside pretty fast.
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Do Jews generally think that English is somehow a language biased towards Christianity?
After staying on this subforum a while, I have a feeling that Jews really like using Hebrew-to-English transliterations instead of the more established English equivalent (i.e. Chava instead of Eve). Is "Chava" somehow more accurate than "Eve"? Does the word "Eve" have Christian connotations of the woman who eats from the tree in the Garden of Eden? On the chabad.org website, the Torah they use actually does not use "Adam" or "Eve": they use "first man" and "woman", giving a different interpretation of scripture and making it sound like the original Hebrew intended to make the first man and woman nameless.
The English translations are often lacking in the full meaning. Spelling out the Hebrew/Aramaic/Yiddish is typically the best way to get the true meaning across. There's always google for those who can't understand that lashen.
Do Jews generally think that English is somehow a language biased towards Christianity?
After staying on this subforum a while, I have a feeling that Jews really like using Hebrew-to-English transliterations instead of the more established English equivalent (i.e. Chava instead of Eve). Is "Chava" somehow more accurate than "Eve"? Does the word "Eve" have Christian connotations of the woman who eats from the tree in the Garden of Eden? On the chabad.org website, the Torah they use actually does not use "Adam" or "Eve": they use "first man" and "woman", giving a different interpretation of scripture and making it sound like the original Hebrew intended to make the first man and woman nameless.
A lot of English words have developed Christian-biased definitions over time or automatically bring Christian concepts to mind when most people hear them. The ideas of sin, redemption, and charity all exist in Judaism, but they are different that the Christian ideas that go by the same terms. And most people automatically think of the Christian ideas when they hear the words.
Hebrew doesn't translate cleanly or exactly into English; a lot of terms or ideas that can be expressed in a single Hebrew word can often have multiple possible translations in English or require an entire statement to adequately express. Once you understand the word in Hebrew, it is often much easier to just use the Hebrew. And to address another thread you have concerning Hebrew characters: Written Hebrew has no vowels, and the transliteration (even when accounting for dialect) is often enough for us understand what is being said.
Also, we read many words, particularly proper names, in Hebrew when we read Torah and pray, and some of us tend to gravitate to the Hebrew term when we speak or write. Names in Hebrew have meaning; they're not just names. "Adam" literally means "man", and is used as both a name for a specific man and as a term for man in general in Torah.
A lot of English words have developed Christian-biased definitions over time or automatically bring Christian concepts to mind when most people hear them. The ideas of sin, redemption, and charity all exist in Judaism, but they are different that the Christian ideas that go by the same terms. And most people automatically think of the Christian ideas when they hear the words.
Hebrew doesn't translate cleanly or exactly into English; a lot of terms or ideas that can be expressed in a single Hebrew word can often have multiple possible translations in English or require an entire statement to adequately express. Once you understand the word in Hebrew, it is often much easier to just use the Hebrew. And to address another thread you have concerning Hebrew characters: Written Hebrew has no vowels, and the transliteration (even when accounting for dialect) is often enough for us understand what is being said.
Also, we read many words, particularly proper names, in Hebrew when we read Torah and pray, and some of us tend to gravitate to the Hebrew term when we speak or write. Names in Hebrew have meaning; they're not just names. "Adam" literally means "man", and is used as both a name for a specific man and as a term for man in general in Torah.
Ironically, there are a few vocal Jews in this forum who insist we "speak English" and get bent out of shape when we use Hebrew, Aramaic or Yiddish - the core languages of our people.
A lot of English words have developed Christian-biased definitions over time or automatically bring Christian concepts to mind when most people hear them. The ideas of sin, redemption, and charity all exist in Judaism, but they are different that the Christian ideas that go by the same terms. And most people automatically think of the Christian ideas when they hear the words.
Hebrew doesn't translate cleanly or exactly into English; a lot of terms or ideas that can be expressed in a single Hebrew word can often have multiple possible translations in English or require an entire statement to adequately express. Once you understand the word in Hebrew, it is often much easier to just use the Hebrew. And to address another thread you have concerning Hebrew characters: Written Hebrew has no vowels, and the transliteration (even when accounting for dialect) is often enough for us understand what is being said.
Also, we read many words, particularly proper names, in Hebrew when we read Torah and pray, and some of us tend to gravitate to the Hebrew term when we speak or write. Names in Hebrew have meaning; they're not just names. "Adam" literally means "man", and is used as both a name for a specific man and as a term for man in general in Torah.
Wow. All this must be so different from your own Baptist upbringing. Baptists are known to believe in sola scriptura, but what they don't understand is that the bible version they are using is already biased towards Christianity, and that the scripture is merely the product of what a religion believes. Among Catholics, there is Holy Tradition, and among Jews, there are the Talmud and the Midrash and the rabbis.
Wow. All this must be so different from your own Baptist upbringing. Baptists are known to believe in sola scriptura, but what they don't understand is that the bible version they are using is already biased towards Christianity, and that the scripture is merely the product of what a religion believes. Among Catholics, there is Holy Tradition, and among Jews, there are the Talmud and the Midrash and the rabbis.
It's just one of the many reasons I am now a Jew rather than a Christian.
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