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Old 11-20-2016, 12:47 AM
 
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Versus 20-21 are the ones I posted.
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

 
Old 11-20-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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Trump is headed to the White House. Did we just elect our first Jewish president? | Fox News


Wondering what Jews might think of this. Offensive?
 
Old 11-20-2016, 12:42 PM
 
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I did not find the article offensive
 
Old 11-20-2016, 05:25 PM
 
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I certainly did not find the article offensive. It made as much sense as calling Wm. Jefferson Blythe Clinton our first Black president.

Perhaps some Trump-haters found it offensive.
 
Old 11-20-2016, 06:12 PM
 
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44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Exodus 21:20-21New International Version (NIV)

20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
 
Old 11-20-2016, 11:08 PM
 
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I certainly did not find the article offensive. It made as much sense as calling Wm. Jefferson Blythe Clinton our first Black president.

Perhaps some Trump-haters found it offensive.

Tzaphkiel~ Thanks for Looking.


Yeah Call, I just can't figure it out ,or why it even made the news.
 
Old 11-21-2016, 08:26 AM
 
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How's Trump Jewish?...
 
Old 11-21-2016, 08:34 AM
 
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Exodus 21:20-21New International Version (NIV)

20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
20 And should a man strike his manservant or his maidservant with a rod, and [that one] die under his hand, he shall surely be avenged.


Rashi's Commentary:

And should a man strike his manservant or his maidservant: The text is referring to a Canaanite slave, or perhaps it is referring only to a Hebrew [slave]? To clarify this, the Torah says: “because he is his property” (verse 21). Just as his property is his permanent acquisition, so is the slave [in question] one who is his permanent acquisition. Now, was he [the one who kills his slave] not included in “He who strikes a man and he dies” (above, verse 12) ? This verse was written [lit., came] to exclude him [the owner of the slave] from the general rule [concerning murder], to be judged with the law of “a day or two days” (verse 21), that if he did not die under his hand but lingered an entire twenty-four-hour period, he is exempt. -[From Mechilta]

with a rod: The verse refers to [a rod] that has sufficient [weight and strength] to kill [someone]. Or perhaps that is not so, but [the master is liable] even if it [the rod] does not have sufficient [weight and strength] to kill? Therefore, the Torah says concerning an Israelite: “Or if he strikes him with a stone that can be held in the hand, from which he may die” (Num. 35:17). (“Or if he strikes him with a wooden instrument that can be held in the hand, from which he may die” ) (Num. 35:18). -[Mizrachi version] Now could the matter not be understood by a kal vachomer [an inference from a major to a minor case], that if [in the case of] an Israelite [victim], [a case] which is treated more stringently, one is not liable unless he struck him [the victim] with an article that has sufficient [weight and strength] to kill and the blow is on an organ which could cause death, how much more should it be so [in the case of] a slave, [a case] which is treated more leniently? -[From Mechilta]

he shall surely be avenged: [with] death by the sword [decapitation], and so does the Torah say: “a sword avenging the vengeance of the covenant” (Lev. 26:25). -[From Mechilta, Sanh. 52b]





21 But if he survives for a day or for two days, he shall not be avenged, because he is his property.


Rashi's Commentary:


But if he survives for a day or two he shall not be avenged: If one day[’s survival] exempts him [from punishment], then would not [survival of] two days be even more obvious? [Why then, is the word יומים written?] Rather [it must be that we are speaking of] one day which is as two days, and what [kind of day] is that? A full, twenty-four hour period.

he shall not be avenged, because he is his property: But if someone else struck him, even if he lingered for twenty-four hours before he died, he [the other person] is liable [to incur the death penalty].
 
Old 11-21-2016, 12:55 PM
 
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How's Trump Jewish?...
I know right?
 
Old 11-21-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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He says he takes communion. Doesn't that disqualify him?

Never mind the fact the values and traits listed are shared by MILLIONS of people who aren't Jewish. (I know Asians who have zero ties to the Jewish community who could out-Trump Trump on some of that stuff.) I get the author's point but he needs to get out more if he thinks only Jews do those things.

BTW: Trump didn't open the club at Mar-a-Lago to Jews out of the goodness of his heart. Opening the club to ALL types of people was a condition placed on him by the city when he asked for a zoning variance to build it.

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