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Old 07-21-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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Illegal immigration could be stopped virtually ovenight if the punishment for EMPLOYING illegals was EXPENSIVE, EXTENSIVE, and ENFORCED.
But the dems don't wanna lose the votes and the repubs don't wanna lose the cheap labor.
Right on! Tell the IRS to go after all of the employers who are paying cash under the table and evading taxes. That will do wonders for solving the problem.
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Old 07-21-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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There wouldn't be an influx of 600mm + people, the question was increase not unlimited.
We don't have the resources and jobs to increase our legal immigration quotas. The millions coming here illegally are the poor, uneducated and unskilled and would be an overall tax burden to our country. What about the increase in the use of our schools and hospitals? We are being stretched thin now trying to provide for our own citizens.
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:02 PM
 
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Tryin' to get a rise out of us 'Native Americans', eh?

The main argument vs unfettered or excessive immigration is the ability to absorb foreign cultures that can often be AT ODDS and in direct opposition to american-western democratic ideals.
We imperil our values as many cultures are not as "considerate" of our tolerant attitudes, for example towards honosexuality or women's equality.
We must never allow those to enter our borders in such numbers, like a Trojan Horse, who would then destroy the very liberalism that let them in!

Illegal immigration could be stopped virtually ovenight if the punishment for EMPLOYING illegals was EXPENSIVE, EXTENSIVE, and ENFORCED.
But the dems don't wanna lose the votes and the repubs don't wanna lose the cheap labor.

And the border patrol doesn't wanna lose their jobs!
In the meantime the rest of America loses respect for the law and our phony leaders.
Actually, both the Dems and Republicans use the cheap labor. Removing the job incentive would go a long ways in curbing illegal immigration but many of them come here and give birth and are able to live off the welfare they get through them. We need to end birthright citizenship for their kids. Also, criminals and terrorists don't care about jobs and benefits they are coming here for other reasons which is why we need to secure our borders also.
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:03 PM
 
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By Native American I hope you are of Indian decent.
Anyone born here is a native American.
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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We don't have the resources and jobs to increase our legal immigration quotas. The millions coming here illegally are the poor, uneducated and unskilled and would be an overall tax burden to our country. What about the increase in the use of our schools and hospitals? We are being stretched thin now trying to provide for our own citizens.

Your legal quota is "x" and the illegal figures are "100x"

If you raise x and the illegal numbers move in the opposite direct it's a net benefit, in more ways than one
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:07 PM
 
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Anyone born here is a native American.


The actual native Americans would disagree and would probably have strong words of how we founded this country and our immigration here in the first place. Everyone for the most part is an immigrant here or related to those who moved here except for the actual natives that got pushed to little plots of tribal land.
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:08 PM
 
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We aren't anywhere close to running out of build-able land. When you make things up like this or a population tripling it weakens your attempted point. If Americans weren't so wasteful water wouldn't really be an issue now, we waste way too much as is
You need to learn what the carrying capacity of a nation is. It isn't about just land mass but ariable land. It's nonsense that if Americans would stop wasting water (where are you getting this anyway?) that we could take in millions or even billions more people and provide them with all the resources it takes to sustain them and not become overcrowded. Since when are we the employment agency to the world anyway? Let em fix their own country's economic problems. We aren't the flop house to whole world either.
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:13 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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The actual native Americans would disagree and would probably have strong words of how we founded this country and our immigration here in the first place. Everyone for the most part is an immigrant here or related to those who moved here except for the actual natives that got pushed to little plots of tribal land.
You are aware that the American Indians were immigrants too right? They crossed from Asia during the last Ice Age.

Native American = anyone born in a land under US sovereignty.
American Indian = Apaches, Cherokee, Comanche, Sioux, etc

History is a story of conquests by stronger people over weaker people ... and we Americans have allowed ourselves to become too weak. Even Mexico now thinks it can bully us around.

A nation is like a glass of water ... the glass can only hold so much water before it overflows. And my friends, the glass called the United States of America is filled right to the tippy top. No more unskilled, uneducated foreigners needed
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:16 PM
 
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You need to learn what the carrying capacity of a nation is. It isn't about just land mass but ariable land. It's nonsense that if Americans would stop wasting water (where are you getting this anyway?) that we could take in millions or even billions more people and provide them with all the resources it takes to sustain them and not become overcrowded. Since when are we the employment agency to the world anyway? Let em fix their own country's economic problems. We aren't the flop house to whole world either.
Where are you getting billions of people? You simply are making things up. Americans are very wasteful with food, water and other resources. Just google americans wasteful with water and then do it again with food. Do you seriously not consider your fellow Americans to be wasteful? I'm not sure what world you live in but I see it daily
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:17 PM
 
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You are aware that the American Indians were immigrants too right? They crossed from Asia during the last Ice Age.

Native American = anyone born in a land under US sovereignty.
American Indian = Apaches, Cherokee, Comanche, Sioux, etc

History is a story of conquests by stronger people over weaker people ... and we Americans have allowed ourselves to become too weak. Even Mexico now thinks it can bully us around.

A nation is like a glass of water ... the glass can only hold so much water before it overflows. And my friends, the glass called the United States of America is filled right to the tippy top. No more unskilled, uneducated foreigners needed


Native American doesn't mean what you feel it does

Native Americans in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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