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Actually...an astute and well capitalized developer can buy out a bunch of homeowners and turn the area into mixed use. Same number of units, more open space.
It's been done before but agree it's not easy. And local officials will have to know how to negotiate terms very well so that developers won't cheat on amenities like parks, playgrounds, sidewalks, drains etc. Requires a lot of work.
Alternatively they can look at areas that are dotted with abandoned/underused warehouses and factories and build there. But they should also provide for schools.
People should seriously go to google maps and look at Newcastle-upon-Tyne in the UK. It has 2,000/KM density, Nassau is 1,800/Km. I picked this one because the next lower English County has 1,500/KM. That is Halton...look that one up too, it's eye opening.
Newcastle is a pretty big city, with some dense suburbs of detached homes. But then you have farmland on the outskirts. There are just far fewer people who need to use a car for every single daily activity.
For historicall reasons, the UK generally did not have the massive sprawling out of the population post WW2 that the US did. The infrastructure was laid out in a way that made US suburbs very car dependent and once that's built, it's very hard to replace.
^ I go all over here in CD. Besides, I used to live and work on LI so that's why I have interest.
Used to.
Look ahead instead of looking back. Help the Garden State. They could use you in the trenches in places like Camden, Newark, or Trenton. Better still, Christie could use your guidance.
Having been a young person (once upon a time) who lived on Long Island in it''s Golden Age I can say that we didn't want "urban" as we loved our beaches, backyards, cars, jobs, clubs and life in general. We had choice if we wanted urban, we moved to Manhattan, Queens or Brooklyn.
In my opinion Long Island should never try to appeal to those who want urban, as it's silly to do with the premier urban center a mere rocks throw to the west. If the young want that then they already have it with a quick train ride.
What Long Island should focus on is keeping (and attracting more) it's 30-50 something professionals. I do think reinvigorating the towns along the rail lines for mixed use is important, but making them too dense would just create more trouble than it's worth.
I agree with just about everything you've written. One question I pondered: Reinvigorating towns along rail lines up to what point? Countless threads about commuting bring up how far is too far of a commute. Couple that with creating walkable transit-oriented communities and one has to ask what the appeal would be in areas where the train ride into Penn is over an hour or more?
Patchogue's renaissance -- was is brought about by affordability due to the abundance of properties in need of rehabbing? Or was it access to trains? From the LIRR perspective, peak am commutes run about 1.5 - 1.75 hours (includes transfers.) Or perhaps that it was an old village which already had a walkable Main Street already in place? Could it have been a combination of the 3?
I’m partially in agreement with the OP, but I also want my yard and privacy.
Right now we have a good balance of both worlds, I can walk to the bars, restaurants, light grocery, train station, all while I have my suburban home. Only con is that it’s pretty far out east by LI standards, and it takes an hour to get to JFK, LGA, NYC.
Like many other’s have said, what LI needs is a better public transit because the LIRR isn’t cutting it. Imagine if some of the successful transit systems in other cities only ran one line every 60 minutes on Sunday.
Look ahead instead of looking back. Help the Garden State. They could use you in the trenches in places like Camden, Newark, or Trenton. Better still, Christie could use your guidance.
He could make these suggestions to the residents of Marlboro and Manalapan and see what they have to say.
One question I pondered: Reinvigorating towns along rail lines up to what point? Countless threads about commuting bring up how far is too far of a commute. Couple that with creating walkable transit-oriented communities and one has to ask what the appeal would be in areas where the train ride into Penn is over an hour or more?
Patchogue's renaissance -- was is brought about by affordability due to the abundance of properties in need of rehabbing? Or was it access to trains? From the LIRR perspective, peak am commutes run about 1.5 - 1.75 hours (includes transfers.) Or perhaps that it was an old village which already had a walkable Main Street already in place? Could it have been a combination of the 3?
If it's comeback further than when I last visited then I think a combination of the three (though I think it had too many parking lots and a group of people who were already living high density). To me, the trains would be just another plus to villages that you could work, shop, live and if need be head easily into the city or further east. Essentially the way villages like Patchogue, Babylon and Bay Shore were way back when. At least that's what would make the South Shore attractive to me. I've long believed that Long Island has had a string of pearls in those somewhat ignored south shore villages. Maybe toss in some light rail to connect them and ban cars from the main street section of each? Whatever, Long Island should develop in the way that's best for the Island and not just as a lure to keep the young living there.
Good point about commuting, that's always been a trade off for those who do it, but now with less jobs actually on the Island there's just less choice.
The center corridor of the Island is more a blank slate and developers could create "villages". But the big thing will be attracting business that fits the Island to locate in those South Shore villages and those "urban" high density areas.
If it's comeback further than when I last visited then I think a combination of the three (though I think it had too many parking lots and a group of people who were already living high density). To me, the trains would be just another plus to villages that you could work, shop, live and if need be head easily into the city or further east. Essentially the way villages like Patchogue, Babylon and Bay Shore were way back when. At least that's what would make the South Shore attractive to me. I've long believed that Long Island has had a string of pearls in those somewhat ignored south shore villages. Maybe toss in some light rail to connect them and ban cars from the main street section of each? Whatever, Long Island should develop in the way that's best for the Island and not just as a lure to keep the young.
Good point about commuting, that's always been a trade off for those who do it, but now with less jobs actually on the Island there's just less choice.
The center corridor of the Island is more a blank slate and developers could create "villages". But the big thing will be attracting business that fits the Island to locate in those South Shore villages and those "urban" high density areas.
The commuter trains are a necessity given all that has been discussed in the past about jobs being concentrated in NYC. No development will succeed without direct in-town train service to NYC.
How far east these communities should be built will depend on how much can actually be built in the west of LI. A few communities like GC, Bellerose, Floral Park, Port Washington, GN Plaza were already developed to be more compressed and walkable. But what is the incentive of Syosset, NHP, Westbury, Carle, Wantagh, Roslyn, Jericho, Albertson etc. to transform? Probably none. To that extent developers can look further out east.
More density what are you smoking long island has executed every tree we don't need no more building
and FYI were losing young people myself included because theirs nothingto do here if you want to walk to you precious resteruants move to the dam city !!!!!!
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