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Old 02-06-2014, 06:50 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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At least around the rail stations, there should be higher densities and mix use such as office, residential and retail. One could theorectically live, work and shop all in the same location without having to drive.

They should allow for low, mid and even some highrise towers. And they need to expand the rail connections, too. Maybe light rail?

Why are Long Islanders so afraid of density?

Long Island is losing young people, a brain drain. Young people like urban areas. So why are they not trying to create some choices for young people on Long Island?
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Old 02-06-2014, 06:55 PM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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There is enough density which gets denser and denser as you head west towards the city why does LI have to be that way? Light rail, which municipal authority could afford the land to build it?
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Old 02-06-2014, 07:00 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Long Island is mostly...wait...it is ALL suburban sprawl. That is not dense. We now know that that type of model is a failure of the 20th century.
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Old 02-06-2014, 07:07 PM
 
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Actually, you don't want LI to build density. It's already too 'dense'. What LI needs is some serious investment in infrastructure, which oddly enough is not being proposed by any of the mini-city developers with projects currently under weigh or proposed in several towns. I know this topic has been debated ad nauseum on this forum, so I won't digress.

It makes no sense to increase sprawl until you have the systems to handle the stress and we are way past capacity and crumbling under the cost of pensions and benefits. I can't imagine this place in 5 or 10 years... hopefully that'll be all I can do.

Even Joe Biden agrees (see NY POST).

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Old 02-06-2014, 07:53 PM
 
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Denser population = more traffic

You're right, Long Island needs more traffic!
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:38 AM
 
Location: Not where I want to be
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Denser population = more traffic

You're right, Long Island needs more traffic!

No. If you build as the OP said, you would have people who could actually WALK places like to stores, work, etc.

Long Island is crazy... if you need something as simple as a bottle of milk, you have to drive to get it.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:49 AM
 
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When LI was not so dense, we had milk DELIVERED to our homes. Bread, too!

Want dense - move to the City.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:52 AM
 
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#1 hurdle are the schools. Voters won't always say it directly but they don't like the possibility of schools getting overcrowded. NYC in some cases worked together with developers to either expand schools or build new ones (ex. Battery Park City) to accommodate influx of new residents; this could be a solution.

#2 hurdle are the local officials. You need public servants who know how to negotiate the best terms with developers. If not, either developers will get away with whatever they want or they will get turned off by unreasonable demands (ie Lighthouse). Good local officials have the experience and judgement to know how to strike a balance.

#3 hurdle is supply. LI has something to offer but NYC is increasing its supply of apartment buildings so whatever you will build on LI will be competing directly with this.
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Old 02-07-2014, 05:20 AM
 
Location: under the beautiful Carolina blue
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#1 hurdle are the schools. Voters won't always say it directly but they don't like the possibility of schools getting overcrowded.
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That's what I was going to say - and there is nowhere to put new schools. School taxes are already at their breaking point, you simply cannot bring in more students.

As stated the population is already dense. More people is not necessarily the solution. Finding a way to keep the ones you have, the ones who are employed and own homes, would be a start.
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Old 02-07-2014, 05:34 AM
 
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Yeah, Long Island needs more density.

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