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Do you really, truly believe this? Serious question. You feel that this whole ongoing pandemic is only still going on because of the 20% of the people who didn’t get vaxed??
The point is it doesn't take a large percentage to overwhelm hospitals, if just 2% of the nation ended up hospitalized it would be a disaster. A large portion of that 20% are ending up hospitalized but those testing positive and asymptomatic are a different story. Vaccinated contracting the Omicron generally do not end up in an ICU. There are plenty of statements from our area hospitals that this is driven by unvaccinated although there are some breakthrough cases.
It doesn't appear that NY tracks vaccination status of hospitallized so we need to rely on statements from administrators but here are some states that track:
The point is it doesn't take a large percentage to overwhelm hospitals, if just 2% of the nation ended up hospitalized it would be a disaster. A large portion of that 20% are ending up hospitalized but those testing positive and asymptomatic are a different story. Vaccinated contracting the Omicron generally do not end up in an ICU. There are plenty of statements from our area hospitals that this is driven by unvaccinated although there are some breakthrough cases.
It doesn't appear that NY tracks vaccination status of hospitallized so we need to rely on statements from administrators but here are some states that track:
Hospitals were not generally ‘overwhelmed’ at the height of the pandemic here in the US (even in NYC) so there appears be wishful thinking (as twisted as that sounds) on the part of at least one Covid alarmist/blame-gamer during this Omicron phase.
Beyond that, it is clear the vaccine is not stopping the infection and spread of Covid. Which means, of course, the vax mandates were both a foolish and a useless enterprise.
One entire wing at LIJ which was 300 single rooms were doubled and tripled up for non icu covid patients when we were there exacly a year ago .
Many more were warehoused downstairs in the ER area until beds became available.
Many like my wife who should have been admitted were put on the northwell crown program for home care .
They were rotating beds as fast they could as all of us were pretty much released in to the crown program prematurely for care and oxygen at home.
It was insane in LIJ …WHILE MEDICAL CARE WAS GOOD there was way to many patients for the staff and facility
You could wait hours to have someone empty a bed pan or get water . Every meal was missing something which never came ..it was just crazy there
Yet, at the height of the pandemic in March of 2020, only one hospital in NY - Elmhurst (which is a disaster normally) - was ever "overwhelmed", and they still didn't utilize the Navy hospital ship or the Javitz center, because the hospitals would rather get paid their Covid bounties by the government than turn patients away.
In the ensuing two years, instead of expanding capacity, the hospitals laid off 30k healthcare workers in this state alone for being unvaccinated, and did God-knows-what with the billions and billions of dollars they were given in federal stimulus payments. Probably handed out handsome bonuses to their administration.
Rather than forcing ineffective vaccines on everyone, if OMG THE HOSPITALS was the issue, the approach should have been to increase hospital capacity, which has been shrinking for decades. We actually have FEWER beds right now than we did in 2019.
Our healthcare system is broken. Forced vaccinations aren't going to fix that. Address the problem. Because next time it might be something worse than Covid.
Hospitals were not generally ‘overwhelmed’ at the height of the pandemic here in the US (even in NYC) so there appears be wishful thinking (as twisted as that sounds) on the part of at least one Covid alarmist/blame-gamer during this Omicron phase.
There are hundreds of healthcare workers that would sharply disagree with you. How about you ask some of them?
And for the ones bringing up how the vaccine mandates forced many workers out - last I checked over 90 percent of healthcare workers are vaccinated. However I have seen many workers who have quit due to burnout, having to work longer shifts due to higher patient load, coworkers calling out sick, and of course having unvaccinated and unmasked COVID deniers screaming at you all day probably doesn't help much either.
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Our healthcare system is broken. Forced vaccinations aren't going to fix that. Address the problem. Because next time it might be something worse than Covid.
I'm not necessarily in favor of vaccine mandates, but mass vaccination seems to me much more practical, faster, and efficient than relying on a broken Washington to fix the healthcare system.
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There are hundreds of healthcare workers that would sharply disagree with you. How about you ask some of them?
And for the ones bringing up how the vaccine mandates forced many workers out - last I checked over 90 percent of healthcare workers are vaccinated. However I have seen many workers who have quit due to burnout, having to work longer shifts due to higher patient load, coworkers calling out sick, and of course having unvaccinated and unmasked COVID deniers screaming at you all day probably doesn't help much either.
Don't bother, all she wants to do is post over and over anti-vaxx... reality doesn't matter. Just as long as there is the next "proof" that the vaxx doesn't work... even if it means reporting about what other countries are doing.
I have family that works in healthcare on LI and they clearly were overwhelmed during the peak and feeling it again... nothing to do with vaxx, etc... just too many people going to the ER with limited to no optional services available... can't schedule procedures... etc. But none of that matters to the keyboard warriors... I mean why talk to people you know and trust who are seeing it firsthand?
There are hundreds of healthcare workers that would sharply disagree with you. How about you ask some of them?
And for the ones bringing up how the vaccine mandates forced many workers out - last I checked over 90 percent of healthcare workers are vaccinated. However I have seen many workers who have quit due to burnout, having to work longer shifts due to higher patient load, coworkers calling out sick, and of course having unvaccinated and unmasked COVID deniers screaming at you all day probably doesn't help much either.
I'm not necessarily in favor of vaccine mandates, but mass vaccination seems to me much more practical, faster, and efficient than relying on a broken Washington to fix the healthcare system.
You don't think losing 10% of healthcare workers could cause a major issue with staffing? You'd be very wrong.
The vaccine mandate was dumb, and it's proven to be even dumber now with omicron. Unvaccinated healthcare workers put themselves at risk more than patients. Firing them was performative and political, not good policy. The sad thing is people have to continue doubling down on bad ideas and dumb policy rather than admit they were wrong.
What's going on with the obviously covered-up lab leak theory is another example of it. People who DARED to bring it up were labeled conspiracy theorists, anti-science, or worse, Trump supporters. Turns out is more likely than not that the virus was created in a lab, it has very specific markers, occurring in no other natural SARS coronavirus.
What happens is when the "authorities" double down on lies about a handful of things due to narcissism or politics, then people start to question what you are saying about things like the vaccine.
Yet, at the height of the pandemic in March of 2020, only one hospital in NY - Elmhurst (which is a disaster normally) - was ever "overwhelmed", and they still didn't utilize the Navy hospital ship or the Javitz center, because the hospitals would rather get paid their Covid bounties by the government than turn patients away.
In the ensuing two years, instead of expanding capacity, the hospitals laid off 30k healthcare workers in this state alone for being unvaccinated, and did God-knows-what with the billions and billions of dollars they were given in federal stimulus payments. Probably handed out handsome bonuses to their administration.
Rather than forcing ineffective vaccines on everyone, if OMG THE HOSPITALS was the issue, the approach should have been to increase hospital capacity, which has been shrinking for decades. We actually have FEWER beds right now than we did in 2019.
Our healthcare system is broken. Forced vaccinations aren't going to fix that. Address the problem. Because next time it might be something worse than Covid.
Exactly. Sometimes I think Covid-alarmism has a memory-loss component.
You don't think losing 10% of healthcare workers could cause a major issue with staffing? You'd be very wrong.
The vaccine mandate was dumb, and it's proven to be even dumber now with omicron. Unvaccinated healthcare workers put themselves at risk more than patients. Firing them was performative and political, not good policy. The sad thing is people have to continue doubling down on bad ideas and dumb policy rather than admit they were wrong.
What's going on with the obviously covered-up lab leak theory is another example of it. People who DARED to bring it up were labeled conspiracy theorists, anti-science, or worse, Trump supporters. Turns out is more likely than not that the virus was created in a lab, it has very specific markers, occurring in no other natural SARS coronavirus.
What happens is when the "authorities" double down on lies about a handful of things due to narcissism or politics, then people start to question what you are saying about things like the vaccine.
There’s a stubborn streak in folks like Fauci that absolutely stops them from ever admitting they were wrong on the lab leak and wrong on the vax mandates. Even as the vaccinated infect each other by the hundreds of thousands.
One outcome of this stubborn streak is that they do not know their credibility is shattered. None of their friends tell them and their favorite news sources don’t admit it.
There’s a stubborn streak in folks like Fauci that absolutely stops them from ever admitting they were wrong on the lab leak and wrong on the vax mandates. Even as the vaccinated infect each other by the hundreds of thousands.
One outcome of this stubborn streak is that they do not know their credibility is shattered. None of their friends tell them and their favorite news sources don’t admit it.
Fauci was intentionally wrong about the lab leak. He and Collins wanted the narrative spun away from the lab leak that other scientists at the NIH were pointing to in early 2020. They said that narrative needed a "devastating take down" in order to promote international cooperation. The squashed the truth for political reasons or to cover their own behinds. They supported gain of function research and most likely GOF research is what created the virus and it slipped out. Then you had Fauci trying to say that manipulating bat viruses to be transmissible to humans didn't fit the definition of GOF research. What the hell is GOF then?
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What the hell is GOF then?
