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The poasters here... it's so funny. Blind leading the blind... and congratulating each other about it.
It's fair to say that the scientists are still trying to figure out the actual science... but, just because you "believe" a scientist or a general science concept about the 19, doesn't mean you don't have an argument... Sure, it's easy when all you have to do is declare something wrong to be right... that's easy peasey... I mean, I could take the lazy way out and just spend my time ranting and screeching about how X and Y are WRONG... I would feel smarter I guess... but what does that get us?
I struggle to see what you feel the "right thing to do" is... you seem more reasonable than the other CDSers whose entire answer is "do nothing" and post after post about how people are wrong and crazy... that's all they offer.
As much as the raving right wing side takes the "one thing is wrong so everything is wrong" approach, the left has put nearly holy emphasis on the likes of Fauci, and on the vaccines themselves, to the point of boosting kids who are at almost zero risk from the current variant. .
That has proven..and will continue to be further proven..to be a mistake. The vaccines have been proven to be a therapeutic and a short term one at that. Fauci intentionally squashed the lab leak theory and continues to lie about his role in what looks like an obvious narrative ship that wreaks of a corverup when you look at the FOI e-mails released. His lying further erodes confidence in authorities. It just adds fuel to the right wing conspiracy fire that this was an intentional release and that he was behind it as were all other people in power. He needs to go.
It's fair to say that the scientists are still trying to figure out the actual science... but, just because you "believe" a scientist or a general science concept about the 19, doesn't mean you don't have an argument... Sure, it's easy when all you have to do is declare something wrong to be right... that's easy peasey... I mean, I could take the lazy way out and just spend my time ranting and screeching about how X and Y are WRONG... I would feel smarter I guess... but what does that get us?
I struggle to see what you feel the "right thing to do" is... you seem more reasonable than the other CDSers whose entire answer is "do nothing" and post after post about how people are wrong and crazy... that's all they offer.
It does if "follow the science" is your only argument, on either side. The right thing to do, in my experience and opinion, is to not triple down on things that don't work, which is what many politicians are currently doing. I was OK with early responses to COVID in 2020 when most didn't know what would work and what wouldn't (though a lot of it was pulled out of the air), but now we know a lot more through experience if not actual numbers (it could take years to get the data into a place where it is actually useful) and need to start doing more of what works and ditch what didn't. But that could create a "crisis" of politicians and experts not being able to "do something". One problem we're seeing now though is that the guys who were in the "do something" crowd actually created the problem where their "somethings" were wrong and now many people doubt what anyone, who might be an actual expert with something that might be effective, has to say.
That sort of slide is very very confusing to folks who were tricked into believing the vaccine would 'stop the spread'. They're likely thoroughly perplexed as to why we had vax mandates and vax passports if fully vaccinated folks routinely get and spread Covid. Hmmmmm.
The vax mandate and vax passport supporters will never be thoroughly perplexed because those positions have now become part of their ideology, it's not about science, logic or rights, it's about beliefs. No matter how many times they are told by science the vaccinated can spread Covid they just don't comprehend the inherent logical inconsistency between that scientific fact and enforcing vaccinations.
7/20/2021
The masking recommendation was updated to ensure the vaccinated public would not unknowingly transmit virus to others, including their unvaccinated or immunocompromised loved ones.
7/30/2021
Vaccinated People With Breakthrough Infections Can Spread The Delta Variant, CDC Says
1/10/2022
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky: “Our vaccines are working exceptionally well … but what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”
How effective were the vaccines at preventing transmission before Delta and Omicron? I have not seen any data on it so I am genuinely curious.
Purely my speculation:
The vaccine (DEC 2020) was designed to act as a flu vaccine (you can certainly get infected and spread but you should not die of the flu if vaccinated)
Folks/media did not grasp that and thought the vax would stop the spread (this confusion also explains the wrong-headed vax mandates and vax passports as well as the odd blame aimed at those who didn’t think this particular vaccine was necessary given their risk).
In ADDITION the vax waned (withing a few months in many cases) allowing more and more infections/spread. (while still averting death)
IMHO Delta ( BEGINNING HERE JUNE- JULY 2021) and Omicron were not good matches for the vax (and thus infection and spread were even more common). While still averting death.
(FWIW, one has to remember the vast majority of Americans are not at serious risk of death even if unvaccinated.)
Last edited by Quick Commenter; 01-13-2022 at 04:46 PM..
This chart is dumb. Your comparing major cities with high density, to smaller states with low density. It's skewed. While I agree the "vax" really isn't doing what we were all told, you can't compare major congested states to smaller ones.
This chart is dumb. Your comparing major cities with high density, to smaller states with low density. It's skewed. While I agree the "vax" really isn't doing what we were all told, you can't compare major congested states to smaller ones.
It's per million people. And they're not unfair comparisons viz. density. Georgia, Indiana, Tennessee, Louisiana, Alabama, etc. all have cities - often multiple cities - larger than anything in Vermont, Maine, or Connecticut, for example. Vermont and Maine don't have a single city that cracks 100k people.
In any event, that's the point - the vax isn't stopping transmission.
It's per million people. And they're not unfair comparisons viz. density. Georgia, Indiana, Tennessee, Louisiana, Alabama, etc. all have cities - often multiple cities - larger than anything in Vermont, Maine, or Connecticut, for example. Vermont and Maine don't have a single city that cracks 100k people.
In any event, that's the point - the vax isn't stopping transmission.
And yet there are still a few befuddled folks blaming the unvaccinated for the spread of Covid. Perhaps they get their ‘news’ from the covid-alarmist outlets.
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