Downtown Los Angeles, Christmas Day 2017 (Sacramento, Coto de Caza: real estate, buying, gated)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Ever notice how the people that don't live in L.A are the ones that usually jump on threads as the strongest homeless advocates for this city?

jm1982, I don't advocate for homeless period. What I try to do is explain in rational terms that there are not enough cops in LA to tackle the homeless problem so there have to be other solutions. And when a moderator tells me I can't post in the LA forum then I will quit, how's that?

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

jm1982, I don't advocate for homeless period. What I try to do is explain in rational terms that there are not enough cops in LA to tackle the homeless problem so there have to be other solutions. And when a moderator tells me I can't post in the LA forum then I will quit, how's that?

There aren't enough cops? I don't agree. Nearly 10,000 officers in LAPD!

It's that they've been told specifically not to enforce when it comes to the homeless.

As you likely know it's not just that the homeless loiter. They are behind the big increase in crime that has risen since Garcetti has been in office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_An...ice_Department

How's the homeless situation in Sacramento these days?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

There aren't enough cops? I don't agree. Nearly 10,000 officers in LAPD!
It's that they've been told specifically not to enforce when it comes to the homeless.

10,000 cops for a City of 4 million people in which Officers serve area encompassing 467 square miles and 18 community areas. That's about 26 per every 10,000 residents, compare that to New York with 41.8 or DC with 65.7
Law Enforcement Officers Per Capita for Cities, Local Departments

Originally Posted by jm1982

As you likely know it's not just that the homeless loiter. They are behind the big increase in crime that has risen since Garcetti has been in office.

correlation =/= causation.

Originally Posted by jm1982

How's the homeless situation in Sacramento these days?

I just mentioned that a few minutes before you posted this, it's awful and getting worse all the time.

[2nd trick op]

Originally Posted by Nema98

Let's not pretend conservatives will help the poor, with all the funding cuts to important and health and other resources. Please stop this charade conservatives, you don't care about the poor. Cut universal healthcare, care only about businesses and never raise minimum wage. As long as the rich and corporations don't pay high taxes, you all are happy.

So please stop insulting us by saying you will help solve homeless issue.

And please stop belittling conservative pragmatists for recognizing (as you apparently refuse to) that the irrational people fouling our streets are there primarily due to faults in their own character.

Sooner or later, a crisis (probably public-health-related) is going to force more decisive action, and a few people (or their imagined "rights") are going to get trampled -- but probably not as severely as would have been the case in an earlier time with fewer resources available. But the real "charade" going on here is among the delusional do-gooders who believe that there's an inexhaustible supply of wealth to finance their particular pipe-dreams.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

10,000 cops for a City of 4 million people in which Officers serve area encompassing 467 square miles and 18 community areas. That's about 26 per every 10,000 residents, compare that to New York with 41.8 or DC with 65.7
Law Enforcement Officers Per Capita for Cities, Local Departments

correlation =/= causation.
I just mentioned that a few minutes before you posted this, it's awful and getting worse all the time.

Part of it is also sending a message .

You know , like a message that one has to follow rules and laws or there will be repercussions.

In L.A that message isn't being sent.

There needs to be some discipline .

Maybe come to L.A sometime and see what we are dealing with .

[Finper]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Part of it is also sending a message .

You know , like a message that one has to follow rules and laws or there will be repercussions.

In L.A that message isn't being sent

Exactly it's like homeless are running Ca and we have to bow down to them and let them attack us and rob us blind. Nobody'in politics or law enforcement will help us. No wonder homelessness is exploding here

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by Finper

Exactly it's like homeless are running Ca and we have to bow down to them and let them attack us and rob us blind. Nobody'in politics or law enforcement will help us. No wonder homelessness is exploding here

The worst part is police and the mayor know the homeless are behind the big rise in crime. But they just don't care they are treated like some special class ... along with illegal aliens .

[GSR13]

Originally Posted by 2nd trick op

And please stop belittling conservative pragmatists for recognizing (as you apparently refuse to) that the irrational people fouling our streets are there primarily due to faults in their own character.

Sooner or later, a crisis (probably public-health-related) is going to force more decisive action, and a few people (or their imagined "rights") are going to get trampled -- but probably not as severely as would have been the case in an earlier time with fewer resources available. But the real "charade" going on here is among the delusional do-gooders who believe that there's an inexhaustible supply of wealth to finance their particular pipe-dreams.

I think it's fair to mention though that if our society wasn't so screwed up to begin with (thanks, Progressives) you'd see less people with the egregious character faults exemplified by the current LA homeless population.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Part of it is also sending a message .
You know , like a message that one has to follow rules and laws or there will be repercussions.
In L.A that message isn't being sent.
There needs to be some discipline .
Maybe come to L.A sometime and see what we are dealing with .

Send them a message by writing them a ticket? You aren't going to find a judge willing to prosecute someone for sleeping in public... And I've been to LA many times I have family there but like I said, Sacramento has similar homeless problems but on a smaller scale, and even with a 'tough on crime' Sheriff and District Attorney and the numbers of homeless just keep increasing. I live in a suburban area and every vacant lot is full of homeless people. Three years ago when we moved here we had to stay in a motel until our house closed and the stairwells were full of homeless people.

You just can't police your way out of this problem. As I've said before the only immediate solution I can think of is to turn vacant land into tent cities and let them live there, no one can afford to build housing for all of them.





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[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Then call the Police and report them, I don't have any good answers for you. The same thing goes on in Sacramento, Discovery Park has basically become a homeless city and yesterday while driving on 50 I saw two tents set up on the side of the freeway.

I've called and so have my neighbors. I've also sent emails to my senior lead officer. Would you like to guess how effective that's been?