No Police for the Peons, but City Council Get Private Security! (live, assessment)

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by wamer27

The city should really be supplying them with unarmed social workers for security. I love how they do not want police, but now are resorting a private version of them. If it ever makes it to a city vote, would the vote be before or after or same time as city council vote in 2021? They should make city police vote before, then when it gets denied, the members will get voted out after. Take notice of these dates...

They are trying to get it on the Nov 2020 ballot. I think the cutoff is sometime in August but am not completely clear on the process for doing so. I am not sure how the elections will go. There is a lot of support for restructuring MPD.

[wamer27]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

They are trying to get it on the Nov 2020 ballot. I think the cutoff is sometime in August but am not completely clear on the process for doing so. I am not sure how the elections will go. There is a lot of support for restructuring MPD.

When can Frey veto it if he chooses? I think council members got a picture painted for them very fast of what it’ll be like with less/no MPD, and we read what they did. I think the solution will end up being that the city will get Kroll to retire, in exchange of keeping MPD. Both sides have to give up something.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by wamer27

When can Frey veto it if he chooses? I think council members got a picture painted for them very fast of what it’ll be like with less/no MPD, and we read what they did. I think the solution will end up being that the city will get Kroll to retire, in exchange of keeping MPD. Both sides have to give up something.

He cannot veto the effort to put the amendment question on the ballot. There is some back and forth now between to council and the charter commission but once the language is agreed upon, it will go on the ballot. The question seems to be whether it can be done before the August deadline.

http://www2.minneapolismn.gov/charter/amendment-process

The city council essentially wants a new Department of Community Safety and Violence Prevention. The head of that department would be a non law enforcement person, nominated by the mayor, and approved by the city council. That department would contain the police dept. and the chief of police would appointed by and report to the head of that department. The number of officers and resources would be determined by that department rather than the minimum currently in the city charter. Currently, the chief of police reports to the mayor, and the charter stipulates the minimum number of officers based on population.

It seems to me that this would enable the city council, through their new department head, to make more changes with less public scrutiny, less accountability, and without being directly responsible for the outcome, a politician’s dream of uncontrolled authority and no responsibility for failure.

City Council advances proposed ballot measure asking voters to create a new Department of Community Safety and Violence Prevention

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Now do The Hill.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...y-detail-after

I haven’t been following closely so I must have missed your posts calling out the NYT and WashPost for reporting about Minneapolis’ problems.

Perhaps, but You can bet the NYT and Wash Post articles had far better reporting and thus attract more sophisticated readers.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

Perhaps, but You can bet the NYT and Wash Post articles had far better reporting and thus attract more sophisticated readers.

I choose my reporting based on context, accuracy, and transparency of bias. Personally, I don’t think a snob factor is important.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

I choose my reporting based on context, accuracy, and transparency of bias. Personally, I don’t think a snob factor is important.

You do realize the New York Post is a tabloid right?

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

You do realize the New York Post is a tabloid right?

Do you find something inaccurate in their report? If so, lay it out and cite your own sources. The same thing was written in The Hill but you devote your posts to the NY Post article and not a word on a nearly identical article in The Hill.

Sometimes I wonder if you actually read these articles. You seem obsessed with putting the sources that people link to into little boxes but I don’t think I’ve ever seen you make a substantive criticism. Truth can be written on a bar napkin, no?

[Cruz Azul Guy]

I did. Here is the entire article -

Security for me but not for thee.

Three members of the Minneapolis City Council who voted to eliminate the local police force are being protected by a private security detail that costs taxpayers $4,500 a day.

News of the arrangement broke Friday, the same day the council voted 12-0 to abolish the Minneapolis Police Department in the wake of the killing of George Floyd.

“My concern is the large number of white nationalist(s) in our city and other threatening communications I’ve been receiving,” Councilmember Andrea Jenkins told Fox 9 News — adding that she had been asking for private security ever since she took office in 2018.

Must I point out how this is a prime example of yellow journalism?

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

I did. Here is the entire article -



Must I point out how this is a prime example of yellow journalism?

Actually, that is not the entire article. You missed the last half which I copied here:

The city has spent $63,000 on rent-a-cops for Jenkins and fellow Councilmembers Phillipe Cunningham and Alondra Cano during the last three weeks after the three said they had received threats.

But an MPD spokesperson said no complaints of threats against them had been filed.

All three have pushed the movement to scrap the city police force in favor of “peace officers” and a “holistic, public health-oriented approach” to law enforcement.

The link so you can check for yourself.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/27/minnea...vate-security/

I am not particularly interested in your labels. Would you mind pointing out which specific words or sentences in the article are inaccurate and explaining exactly why?

[wamer27]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

I did. Here is the entire article -



Must I point out how this is a prime example of yellow journalism?

Here’s a local version

https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapoli...-after-threats