No Police for the Peons, but City Council Get Private Security! (law, safety)

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

I missed that because I responded in post 32 at 12:55 pm and you edited your post to add the last section at 1:01 pm. but fair enough. I do not see where you cite any inaccuracy in their article. What you say is:



No where in the article does it say, “...that the city council has eliminated the police department altogether and there is nothing protecting us.”

So the inaccuracy you cite does not exist.

And when quoting, please quote accurately. I accused you of “... a thinly veiled personal attack...” I am referring to post 35 you continue to refer to one poster here as a racist. That you continue to do so in exchanges with me, but lack the courage to call him a racist directly has greatly diminished the respect I once had for you. And at one time, I did respect you.

I’ve pointed it out to him in other threads, as have others. He just doesn’t care.

[MrMinneapolis]

such a masterful finesse and study in hypocracy that the city council members are enacting! I dare say, the cleverness of this outcome is mighty impressive. however the sad realities of the situation is that the people of that region choose and support those council members. are they in a state of hypnosis? lets just transcend humans colors to the true nitty gritty...GREEN

[Cruz Azul Guy]

All you have to do is read through this thread to see how people were misled by the dishonest NY Post article.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

All you have to do is read through this thread to see how people were misled by the dishonest NY Post article.

Many, many news sources have used the term “abolish,” dismantle” or “disband” in both news and editorial pieces to describe the intent of the city council with respect to MPD. Here are a few examples:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...lishing-police

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ment-dismantle

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/u...e-abolish.html

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...otion-71469336

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/26/88200...ish-the-police

https://www.wsj.com/articles/minneap...nt-11593188831

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/us/ge...day/index.html

https://m.startribune.com/don-t-abol...ing/571225812/

https://www.southwestjournal.com/voi...rtment-is-now/

Why did they choose those terms? Why do they think the City Council wants to end the MPD? is it because they are all “dishonest” or is it because that is exactly what nine CMs pledged to do in Powderhorn Park on June 7?

In their boldest statement since George Floyd’s killing, nine Minneapolis City Council members told a crowd Sunday that they will “begin the process of ending the Minneapolis Police Department.”

https://m.startribune.com/mpls-counc...ent/571088302/

So if citizens, forum participants, and news organizations all believe that the City Council intends to end
MPD it is not because they were misled by the NY Post this week but because they took the City Council at their word earlier this month.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Many, many news sources have used the term “abolish,” dismantle” or “disband” in both news and editorial pieces to describe the intent of the city council with respect to MPD. Here are a few examples:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...lishing-police

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ment-dismantle

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/u...e-abolish.html

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...otion-71469336

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/26/88200...ish-the-police

https://www.wsj.com/articles/minneap...nt-11593188831

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/us/ge...day/index.html

https://m.startribune.com/don-t-abol...ing/571225812/

https://www.southwestjournal.com/voi...rtment-is-now/

Why did they choose those terms? Why do they think the City Council wants to end the MPD? is it because they are all “dishonest” or is it because that is exactly what nine CMs pledged to do in Powderhorn Park on June 7?



https://m.startribune.com/mpls-counc...ent/571088302/

So if citizens, forum participants, and news organizations all believe that the City Council intends to end
MPD it is not because they were misled by the NY Post this week but because they took the City Council at their word earlier this month.

The clear intent of the NY Post article was to call out Minneapolis City Council members as hypocrites but that argument only makes sense if the council was actually removing policing from the city, which is obviously not the case to anyone paying attention.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

The clear intent of the NY Post article was to call out Minneapolis City Council members as hypocrites but that argument only makes sense if the council was actually removing policing from the city, which is obviously not the case to anyone paying attention.

I agree that they seem to have backed off their original pledge, though the head of the Charter Commission says the whole thing seems rushed and there is no specific plan, so they certainly could change direction back to ending MPD if the political winds shift again.

But the point is that people went down that road of saying the council wants to abolish/ disband/ end MPD because that is exactly what they pledged to do. So to me the whole complaint about the tone of the NY Post is a distraction when dozens of other news organizations said the same thing because that’s what the council said.

The real question is were the CMs misleading the crowd at Powderhorn with their pledge or are they misleading us now because their rhetoric received pushback?

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

I agree that they seem to have backed off their original pledge, though the head of the Charter Commission says the whole thing seems rushed and there is no specific plan, so they certainly could change direction back to ending MPD if the political winds shift again.

But the point is that people went down that road of saying the council wants to abolish/ disband/ end MPD because that is exactly what they pledged to do. So to me the whole complaint about the tone of the NY Post is a distraction when dozens of other news organizations said the same thing because that’s what the council said.

The real question is were the CMs misleading the crowd at Powderhorn with their pledge or are they misleading us now because their rhetoric received pushback?

Disbanding, defunding, abolishing, dismantling, reforming, overhauling, restructuring. Choose whatever words you want. Everything that is being discussed translates to replacing the current police department with a different police department. The fact that this change involves decoupling from the police union should actually appeal to conservatives so frankly it’s ironic to me that they are the ones pushing back.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

Disbanding, defunding, abolishing, dismantling, reforming, overhauling, restructuring. Choose whatever words you want. Everything that is being discussed translates to replacing the current police department with a different police department. The fact that this change involves decoupling from the police union should actually appeal to conservatives so frankly it’s ironic to me that they are the ones pushing back.

Those are all attempts at synonyms but none are a clear as the words of the CMs’ pledge at Powderhorn.

In their boldest statement since George Floyd’s killing, nine Minneapolis City Council members told a crowd Sunday that they will “begin the process of ending the Minneapolis Police Department.”

Not replace, change, or reform. End. That is an unequivocal statement and that is the term they chose. I would prefer that the media use that term to describe the council’s intent since that is the word they themselves chose.

I do not oppose reforming MPD or disbanding their union. I think all federal, state, and local public employees’ unions should be disbanded, and I believe many if not most conservatives would agree with me.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Those are all attempts at synonyms but none are a clear as the words of the CMs’ pledge at Powderhorn.



Not replace, change, or reform. End. That is an unequivocal statement and that is the term they chose. I would prefer that the media use that term to describe the council’s intent since that is the word they themselves chose.

I do not oppose reforming MPD or disbanding their union. I think all federal, state, and local public employees’ unions should be disbanded, and I believe many if not most conservatives would agree with me.

To me it sounds like you support the position of the City Council.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

To me it sounds like you support the position of the City Council.

No. I do not think the police dept. should report indirectly to the council through a separate department head who by design is not a law enforcement professional. (My understanding of the latest iteration of their plan.)

I think the MPD should report directly to the mayor, that training standards should be upgraded and enhanced, and disciplinary measures should be overseen by a civilian review board.

I also believe an extensive study of the use of force by MPD should be taken with an eye toward understanding whether encounters are racially disproportionate to the number of violent offenders. I would implement more extensive tracking of individual officer behavior and encounters.

I would also limit the qualified immunity of public officials and employees, including police, in order to allow the public to more easily seek redress of the grievances.

I also believe that political leaders must summon the courage to openly ask why young black men commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime. We know this to be true but cannot openly discuss why it might be.

I would also use any and all efforts to arrest, convict, and imprison gang members, end Minneapolis’ status as a sanctuary city, and ask the legislature to set lengthy mandatory prison sentences for offenders with multiple violent felonies.

Those seem like reasonable first steps off the top of my head.