06-09-2009, 12:55 PM
Location: MN
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For some reason, people in MN tend to get comfortable with a single set of friends early on, then isolate themselves socially. ......here, everyone keeps to their bubble. ....button up for the ice storm.
I think Tindo hit it on the head! I'm also from out-of-state and it seems people have an established set of friends, often from high school, and never want to expand on those relationships. They're nice on the surface and that's it. It's truly amazing.
I've also heard people say that Minnesotans are passive aggressive. They'll be nice to your face and then talk behind your back. On the east coast, people are straight with you. At least you know where you stand; none of this behind-the-back stuff. BRRRR!!!
08-15-2009, 10:11 PM
Location: Pueblo CO
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I've lived in Minnesota for 15 years and I think that the reason for the Minnesota ICE phenomenon is that people here have so little truly free time. They work hard, they tend to have large extended families that they're very involved with and feel responsible for. And, when they do have a spare moment, they invest it in existing friendships or their communities, or they work on maintaining their homes. These are busy people!
Yeh, and when you're through being "busy" then IT's all over! Being busy rather than connecting? I think this 'work-ethic' we brag about here is a crock! Sorry.
08-15-2009, 11:19 PM
Location: Pueblo CO
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I think Tindo hit it on the head! I'm also from out-of-state and it seems people have an established set of friends, often from high school, and never want to expand on those relationships. They're nice on the surface and that's it. It's truly amazing.
I've also heard people say that Minnesotans are passive aggressive. They'll be nice to your face and then talk behind your back. On the east coast, people are straight with you. At least you know where you stand; none of this behind-the-back stuff. BRRRR!!!
I agree with you Boxcars! I'm native MN (St. Paul). Since most posts are mixing ice/nice, and saying about the same, I'll conform. I've returned here a couple times in the last 10 years. Quite frankly, growing up (50's-60's), ice/nice wasn't part of the landscape. Never heard the expression: "Minnesota Nice." Then, (first return) when I heard it in a work setting in St Paul (conflicted), and asked what it meant, this person said: politically correct/incorrect backstabbing (which agrees with your post)! Where did ice/nice come from? A native told me: pretty much from 'transplants' as first and/or lasting impressions on moving here. Does it exist elsewhere? Of course. It's cultural here with the Scandies-Germans vs the Irish, with some saying the spiritless vs the spirited and then "others" in the mix. Some can't help themselves (raised that way), but it is dishonest! Is it respectful to hold your tongue, look away (esp. in the last election, with the lengthy seating of our 2nd Senator) and roll over and play dead? I think not. Why not just stand out in the road and say "here, run me over?"
Garrison Keillor, our "Homegrown Democrat" (actually like his book) is famous for saying: "if you come to Minnesota, you'll find it just to good too leave." Well Garrison, you've been all over this country (like me), and know that there's life after Minnesota. Good luck, Boxcars, stay warm and thanks.
08-16-2009, 12:27 PM
Location: Lakewood OH
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When I visited MPLS last spring to determine if it would be a good place for me to move, I found people very nice and helpful and answered all my questions. The thing is anywhere you go and I mean anywhere if you are the outsider you are going to have to make the extra effort to belong. When people have their established circle of friends and family they are content with those and are not always anxious to add to that circle. But that doesn't mean you cannot find your crowd.
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on "Nice" or "Ice" or any of those descriptions. When I first moved to Portland, which had a reputation for its friendliness, I found I had never met such a bunch of hostile people. Gradually though, I found others with whom I could click. You just have to keep trying.
I have always thought that you don't really "make" friendships, you "earn" them.
08-16-2009, 02:35 PM
Location: MN
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Do some research on Scandinavian culture, it is the basic culture of native Minnesotans. If you want a more direct Italian or Irish type of culture, look at the east coast instead.
08-16-2009, 08:42 PM
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My wife and I lived in Minneapolis for 10 years (basically, our 20's). We made friends. We didn't make a lot, but that's just how we are (no reflection on the area). Minneapolis / St. Paul is a large enough metro area that it's hard to generalize. Not everyone in town is a native.
People do tend to socialize in their neck of the city more. We lived in the southwest corner of the metro and had a friend that lived in the far north-east. That 60 mile drive put a damper on how often we got together at each others house.
It's a big enough town though that you should visit and explore your options. I don't know a lot about St. Paul, but if I were in your shoes and looking at Minneapolis, I'd check out uptown and downtown (especially the warehouse district).
08-17-2009, 03:56 PM
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Do some research on Scandinavian culture, it is the basic culture of native Minnesotans.
Tell that to the folks in New Ulm and other Minnesota towns with a heavy German influence.
But that background can be similar in many ways.
08-17-2009, 05:11 PM
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I grew up in South Dakota and I've had no problems making friends with native Minnesotans, and the Minnesotans I've known seem to want to be rather inclusive, esp. my experience living in Minneapolis but can't really speak to other places(although the experiences of my family are very positive in regard in moving to a rural MN environment). And really, regarding the whole Minnesota ice/nice thing....at a certain age, don't people just grow up and quit worrying about how popular they are, how many friends they have (guess not thanks to facebook), and/or whether or not they're the center of attention?...Isn't part of the aging process the desire to move away from having many meaningless friendships so as to better cultivate the rewarding/ strong friendships and relationships that one has and/or encounters?
I've always been a firm believer that moving to a new geography is not likely to make you a happier person that is better able to cope with life and/or cause you to have less problems- if anything, the opposite happens as you likely sever many meaningful relationships in the process of picking up and moving to another part of the country or world (especially if doing so alone). I think a lot of the folks that move here, or anywhere for that matter, and find themselves unhappy oftentimes need to find something or someone to point the blame at for what may have been a hasty decision without a lot of introspection in the first place- it's easier to conclude that everyone in a state is mean, cold, or too reserved than to admit you made a bad decision and/or need to work on some things in your personal life.
And, quite frankly, if I moved to a place where I could insta-friend everyone I encountered, to me that would feel like a pretty artificial place.
And is it preferable to live in a place that's hard to make friends where all the people you don't make friends with are all a**holes to you vs. maintaining a friendly/civil attitude?
Or is it just that Minnesota is that great of a place that the only things people can think to complain about are its cold weather and nice people?
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08-17-2009, 09:22 PM
Location: MN
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Minnesotans value friends and family, if youre going to be reactive and not proactive, finding a group of friends that trust you and enjoy you is going to be hard... its just the way we are... we have many friends, hold them dear, and dont just let anyone walk into our lives.
08-17-2009, 09:44 PM
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Minnesotans value friends and family, if youre going to be reactive and not proactive, finding a group of friends that trust you and enjoy you is going to be hard... its just the way we are... we have many friends, hold them dear, and dont just let anyone walk into our lives.
I can appreciate that and it works well if you never leave home. But if you ever have to move someplace else you may see things from a different perspective.
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People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)