07-08-2011, 05:50 PM
Location: SW Missouri
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Falling in that mostly silent group that votes this thread, which has now officially lasted longer than it took to fight the entire American Civil War, should go away, I can't resist the temptation to post another 'official' work, to help stir the pot a little more.
In my opinion, of the numerous different angles one can use to 'prove' their point
(I am waiting for the Ford vs Chevy vs Toyota vs John Deere vs etc poll) , the topic of dialect is about as solid as any.
Then again, using the pop vs soda poll is about as smart as the college kid who originally published it, who concluded at the end of his 'official' study "those who say pop are cooler"
(not kidding - look up his study online) .
For those who are really interested in this topic, this study and map might prove interesting.
American English Dialects
Then again, I have lived in SW Missouri all my life and use the term 'pop' so obviously I am a Yankee spy in Rebel territory.
For those who really don't care about this topic and accidentally stumbled across this thread looking for cute puppies, you were not forgotten .....
YouTube - ‪cute puppy whistle‬‏
07-08-2011, 05:59 PM
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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SW Missouri Dave
Falling in that mostly silent group that votes this thread, which has now officially lasted longer than it took to fight the entire American Civil War, should go away, I can't resist the temptation to post another 'official' work, to help stir the pot a little more.
In my opinion, of the numerous different angles one can use to 'prove' their point
(I am waiting for the Ford vs Chevy vs Toyota vs John Deere vs etc poll) , the topic of dialect is about as solid as any.
Then again, using the pop vs soda poll is about as smart as the college kid who originally published it, who concluded at the end of his 'official' study "those who say pop are cooler"
(not kidding - look up his study online) .
For those who are really interested in this topic, this study and map might prove interesting.
American English Dialects
Then again, I have lived in SW Missouri all my life and use the term 'pop' so obviously I am a Yankee spy in Rebel territory.
For those who really don't care about this topic and accidentally stumbled across this thread looking for cute puppies, you were not forgotten .....
YouTube - ‪cute puppy whistle‬‏
As usual, everything you have said is spot on.
I personally find the subject of dialects endlessly fascinating, but then, I'm geeky that way, the whole soda/pop thing is just too ridiculous for words, lol.
07-09-2011, 05:38 PM
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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I will agree with you about them being more southern than us, but I will not agree with you on saying we or at least some portion of Missouri is not southern. Missouri was admitted as a slave state above the 36 30 line, and Missouri fought hard for other state like Kansas to allow slaves. Also I bet that atleast 70 percent of Missourians know what grits are. Anyway during the civil war my county grew 750,000 pounds of tobacco a year. Also there is a cave outside my local town know as the KKK cave, and it supposedly held their seceret meetings in the 1800s. Also the people I met in Gulf Shores were not morons, and they all agreed that Missouri was southern. As people were walking in the hotel they were asking them where they were from, and one person said Ohio and they said wow y'all are yankees. I then asked them if they thought I was a yankee and they said hell no, and then I said what about Missouri and once again they said no. Like I said before I fit in better with the people from Alabama than Indiana. In fact we had a new girl come to our school from Indiana and she said we talked weird, and I said how, and she said you all sound southern. Also we grow cotton, we have kudzu, we eat fried okra, we drink sweet tea, we have get togethers down at the river, and we deep fry all the catfish that we can catch. Also Missouri tried to sucede from the union in 1861 but we were stopped by yankee forces occupying St. louis. We are on the Confederate flag, and we're apart of the LOS. I'm sure that some Missourians consider themselves southern.
and yet.... not a SINGLE boiled peanut to be found ANYWHERE in my travels through the bootheel......
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If that was done in the city limits of stl there would be great praise over it.
really?? great praise for theft and destruction of property??
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GunnerTHB
No one that I know calls it pop unless they're mocking people from up north. But most do not say coke either.
fwiw.... i am a native texan and we always called it coke......
07-09-2011, 06:10 PM
Location: MO
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fwiw.... i am a native texan and we always called it coke......
I don't doubt that a bit. My point was discussing native Missourians, however.
07-09-2011, 06:20 PM
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
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All the locals I know in KC definitely say pop. Not something I was used to hearing in st. Louis
07-09-2011, 06:45 PM
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All the locals I know in KC definitely say pop. Not something I was used to hearing in st. Louis
Nope, never heard it called "pop" in stl.
However it seems KC doesn't have as many native people as Stl. What I mean is people born and raised there. KC seems to have people from all over aka transplants vs St. Louis who has more native born people in the region.
St. Louis is a older city than KC.
In 1860 just 4,400 people lived in KC.
07-09-2011, 09:07 PM
Location: Indiana Uplands
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Nope, never heard it called "pop" in stl.
Uh, KC might have more transplants than STL but far less compared to many other metros in the US. Plenty of KC natives that have not lived in any other locale. My extended family being a prime example.
07-09-2011, 10:17 PM
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Uh, KC might have more transplants than STL but far less compared to many other metros in the US. Plenty of KC natives that have not lived in any other locale. My extended family being a prime example.
I was saying thats why some might call it different names there.
Harry Truman's ancestors were from the area. They owned a plantation and slaves. Most of the original people from the KC area were southerns.
Maybe why KC seems slightly more southern than stl. Especially south of there.
07-09-2011, 11:01 PM
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Ok, let's try this one. Where does McDonalds "McChicken" become the "hot n spicy McChicken"? I have noticed that you can order this in Minnesota and get a completely different sandwich than in Southern Missouri. I jest, of course, but could this be the real difference between North and South?
07-09-2011, 11:10 PM
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Ok, let's try this one. Where does McDonalds "McChicken" become the "hot n spicy McChicken"? I have noticed that you can order this in Minnesota and get a completely different sandwich than in Southern Missouri. I jest, of course, but could this be the real difference between North and South?
Hmmmm....I live in the South, and you cant get a hot and spicy here.
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People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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