Storm in NJ 8.4.2020 (purchase, construction, cost)
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Yes, there is that pesky detail.
IMHO, this just adds to the body of evidence that JCP&L customers are almost always at a disadvantage, as compared to PSEG customers.
Yes, there is that pesky detail.
IMHO, this just adds to the body of evidence that JCP&L customers are almost always at a disadvantage, as compared to PSEG customers.
I notice a huge difference. Having lived in north Jersey (Bergen/Passaic Counties) most of my life, I always had PSE&G. I have experienced more outages in the past ten years living in Monmouth with JCP&L than I did in all the other 50+ years with PSE&G, even taking Sandy out of the equation. NEVER EVER did I go an entire day without power with PSE&G, let alone three. Power outages were a few hours.
I notice a huge difference. Having lived in north Jersey (Bergen/Passaic Counties) most of my life, I always had PSE&G. I have experienced more outages in the past ten years living in Monmouth with JCP&L than I did in all the other 50+ years with PSE&G, even taking Sandy out of the equation. NEVER EVER did I go an entire day without power with PSE&G, let alone three. Power outages were a few hours.
Yes, with the exception of the effects of Superstorm Sandy--when I was w/o power for 3 days--I have never experienced a PSEG power outage of more than an hour or two, and even those are rare. I think that one of the main reasons for PSEG's superior reliability is their tree-trimming regimen. After their contractors have tortured the trees into very unnatural shapes, the trees don't look very good, but this does help to keep their branches away from power lines. I have to assume that JCP&L is not as aggressive with tree-trimming as PSEG is.
The big problem--for all electric utilities--is fallen trees, and there is no way for a utility to prevent that occurrence.
Yes, with the exception of the effects of Superstorm Sandy--when I was w/o power for 3 days--I have never experienced a PSEG power outage of more than an hour or two, and even those are rare. I think that one of the main reasons for PSEG's superior reliability is their tree-trimming regimen. After their contractors have tortured the trees into very unnatural shapes, the trees don't look very good, but this does help to keep their branches away from power lines. I have to assume that JCP&L is not as aggressive with tree-trimming as PSEG is.
The big problem--for all electric utilities--is fallen trees, and there is no way for a utility to prevent that occurrence.
i heard lately a lot of praise for pse&g and attacks against jcp&l. i dont take them seriously without knowing more. people tend to complain about what they have and dont know much about other providers. i wonder if the pse&g service area has less trees than jcp&l. holmdel has a lot of trees and a lot of them fell down in that last storm. im not sure what jcp&l could do to stop that. if they put together a plan to chop down all the trees that threaten the lines, then people will complain about them cutting down trees.
the town politicians say they will do something but i think that is just bs opportunism on their part that will amount to nothing. but id like for them to come up with a proposal to chop down all the trees and a proposal to bury all the power lines and give the cost of each and let the people vote if they want to do it. i doubt that they will.
Last edited by CaptainNJ; 08-18-2020 at 09:41 AM..
i heard lately a lot of praise for pse&g and attacks against jcp&l. i dont take them seriously without knowing more. people tend to complain about what they have and dont know much about other providers. i wonder if the pse&g service area has less trees than jcp&l. holmdel has a lot of trees and a lot of them fell down in that last storm. im not sure what jcp&l could do to stop that. if they put together a plan to chop down all the trees that threaten the lines, then people will complain about them cutting down trees.
the town politicians say they will do something but i think that is just bs opportunism on their part that will amount to nothing. but id like for them to come up with a proposal to chop down all the trees and a proposal to bury all the power lines and give the cost of each and let the people vote if they want to do it. i doubt that they will.
Well, as I already said, I had PSE&G most of my life and can see the difference, and we had a lot more trees where I lived in Bergen County than we do down here in Monmouth. My mother's property is filled with huge old oaks and maples. She actually had a tree guy come look at them a few years ago and remove some branches, and she asked if she should be concerned about any of them falling. Interestingly, the tree guy said that when you have a lot of trees, they take up the wind and break up the currents better between them than when you have one tree standing alone here and another standing alone tree way over there.
Now that she's gone and we will sell the house, I'm betting that the buyers won't see the value in old, tall trees and will mow them down. Sad, but it won't be our business anymore.
No, nobody can do anything if trees fall down in a storm. That's not somebody's fault. A sloppy, uncoordinated response is, but that's a different story.
what back ups and improvements should they do to stop trees from falling in the case of a storm?
Most electrical systems of any type nowadays require redundancies, so, for example, if a tree falls and knocks out the power to Town X, there should be a backup to reroute power to Town X temporarily from a different direction from the one where the fallen tree has taken down the wires. JCP&L doesn't seem to have a handle on that sort of thing.
Well, as I already said, I had PSE&G most of my life and can see the difference, and we had a lot more trees where I lived in Bergen County than we do down here in Monmouth. My mother's property is filled with huge old oaks and maples. She actually had a tree guy come look at them a few years ago and remove some branches, and she asked if she should be concerned about any of them falling. Interestingly, the tree guy said that when you have a lot of trees, they take up the wind and break up the currents better between them than when you have one tree standing alone here and another standing alone tree way over there.
Now that she's gone and we will sell the house, I'm betting that the buyers won't see the value in old, tall trees and will mow them down. Sad, but it won't be our business anymore.
No, nobody can do anything if trees fall down in a storm. That's not somebody's fault. A sloppy, uncoordinated response is, but that's a different story.
No, nobody can do anything if trees fall down in a storm. That's not somebody's fault. A sloppy, uncoordinated response is, but that's a different story.
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Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801
Most electrical systems of any type nowadays require redundancies, so, for example, if a tree falls and knocks out the power to Town X, there should be a backup to reroute power to Town X temporarily from a different direction from the one where the fallen tree has taken down the wires. JCP&L doesn't seem to have a handle on that sort of thing.
yes, a sloppy uncoordinated response would be their fault. i just dont know enough to evaluate it. it seems clear that their response wasnt perfect but i know every circuit in holmdel was taken out by the storm and i drove around and saw tons of trees down. maybe they did do a terrible job but i dont really know how much better someone doing a great job would have done. i dont like to criticize if i dont know for sure that they did a poor job.
it would be nice if we had those kinds of redundancies but im pretty sure that we dont. im not sure how common that is.
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