Bloody weekend: 24 shot in 24 hours prompting Mayor Bloomberg to call for tougher gun laws (New York: movies, inspector)
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What Bloomberg (a Liberal Republican) and his ilk Do NOT understand and even if they did they would never admit it is that the Second Amendment was written to guarantee the PEOPLE would have weapons to defend their self,
yup, WEAPONS are NOT exclusively hand GUNS. It's just plain obvious. 18th century - a farmer with a gun had about the same fire power as a regular army soldier. 21st century - your gun will NOT make any difference against a regular army. In Iraq and Afghanistan, insurgent guns are responsible only for a small % of the American casualties. Most of the gun advocates understand imbecility of everyone having a right for a tank and chemical weapons but they keep on citing Constitution to claim a right for guns. Honest thing to do - to admit that Constitution is an ancient scroll that could not predict exploding firepower of standing armies and to adjust that scroll accordingly. Everything else is manipulation and dishonesty.
Even if you are afraid of tyranny taking your freedoms away (if you have any left at this point) it is counterproductive to fool yourself into thinking that your shot gun will make a difference. If you keep on fooling yourself, that means only one thing "tyranny" taking away your freedoms etc. is the last of your concerns, you need guns for something else.
I have my theory why Americans are clinging to their guns - psychological illusion of power. As it is, an American wage unit is thoroughly powerless and pathetic, but the same unit with a gun boosts serotonin levels in his/her brain accordingly to mitigate depressing effects of the surrounding reality. Guns are just like a Prozac helping sufferers to create different reality matrix.
Even with pro-gun laws, not everyone will care to buy a gun.. only those who want to feel more secure..... so tight gun laws make no sense because the outlaws will always get their hands on them regardless while the good guys can't even register.
The anti-crime solution is more jobs! not more laws!
tssss too much rednecks in this thread, anybody who ever lived in a violent neighborhood knows that more guns fatally leads to more crime. Period.
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More guns by law abiding citizens results in less crimes. Maybe more dead criminals. Did a friend of yours get shot raping and pillaging frenchy?
GL2
yup, WEAPONS are NOT exclusively hand GUNS. It's just plain obvious. 18th century - a farmer with a gun had about the same fire power as a regular army soldier. 21st century - your gun will NOT make any difference against a regular army. In Iraq and Afghanistan, insurgent guns are responsible only for a small % of the American casualties. Most of the gun advocates understand imbecility of everyone having a right for a tank and chemical weapons but they keep on citing Constitution to claim a right for guns. Honest thing to do - to admit that Constitution is an ancient scroll that could not predict exploding firepower of standing armies and to adjust that scroll accordingly. Everything else is manipulation and dishonesty.
Even if you are afraid of tyranny taking your freedoms away (if you have any left at this point) it is counterproductive to fool yourself into thinking that your shot gun will make a difference. If you keep on fooling yourself, that means only one thing "tyranny" taking away your freedoms etc. is the last of your concerns, you need guns for something else.
I have my theory why Americans are clinging to their guns - psychological illusion of power. As it is, an American wage unit is thoroughly powerless and pathetic, but the same unit with a gun boosts serotonin levels in his/her brain accordingly to mitigate depressing effects of the surrounding reality. Guns are just like a Prozac helping sufferers to create different reality matrix.
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The largest army on the planet is probably China. A W.A.G would be maybe ten million armed soldiers. There are an estimated 60 to 100 million gun owners in the United States. I wonder if the Chinese Communist Party would be holding power today if there were 100 million Chinese citizens that owned guns?
Murder and violent crime rates were supposed to soar after the Supreme Court struck down gun control laws in Chicago and Washington, D.C.
Politicians predicted disaster. "More handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence," Washington’s Mayor Adrian Fenty warned the day the court made its decision.
Chicago’s Mayor Daley predicted that we would "go back to the Old West, you have a gun and I have a gun and we'll settle it in the streets . . . ."
The New York Times even editorialized this month about the Supreme Court's "unwise" decision that there is a right for people "to keep guns in the home."
But Armageddon never happened. Newly released data for Chicago shows that, as in Washington, murder and gun crime rates didn't rise after the bans were eliminated -- they plummeted. They have fallen much more than the national crime rate.
Not surprisingly, the national media have been completely silent about this news.
One can only imagine the coverage if crime rates had risen. In the first six months of this year, there were 14% fewer murders in Chicago compared to the first six months of last year – back when owning handguns was illegal. It was the largest drop in Chicago’s murder rate since the handgun ban went into effect in 1982.
Meanwhile, the other four most populous cities saw a total drop at the same time of only 6 percent.
Similarly, in the year after the 2008 "Heller" decision, the murder rate fell two-and-a-half times faster in Washington than in the rest of the country.
It also fell more than three as fast as in other cities that are close to Washington's size. And murders in Washington have continued to fall.
If you compare the first six months of this year to the first six months of 2008, the same time immediately preceding the Supreme Court's late June "Heller" decision, murders have now fallen by thirty-four percent.
Gun crimes also fell more than non-gun crimes.
Robberies with guns fell by 25%, while robberies without guns have fallen by eight percent. Assaults with guns fell by 37%, while assaults without guns fell by 12%.
Just as with right-to-carry laws, when law-abiding citizens have guns some criminals stop carrying theirs.
The benefit could have been even greater. Getting a handgun permit in Chicago and Washington is an expensive and difficult process, meaning only the relatively wealthy go through it.
Through the end of May only 2,144 people had handguns registered in Chicago. That limits the benefits from the Supreme Court decisions since it is the poor who are the most likely victims of crime and who benefit the most from being able to protect themselves.
The biggest change for Washington was the Supreme Court striking down the law making it illegal to have a loaded gun. Over 70,000 people have permits for long guns that they can now legally used to protect themselves.
Lower crime rates in Chicago and Washington, by themselves, don’t prove that gun control increases murders, even when combined with the quite familiar story of how their murder rates soared and stayed high after the gun bans were imposed.
But these aren’t isolated examples. Around the world, whenever guns are banned, murder rates rise.
Gun control advocates explained the huge increases in murder and violent crime rates Chicago and Washington by saying that those bans weren’t fair tests unless the entire country adopted a ban.
Yet, even island nations, such as Ireland and the U.K. -- with no neighbors to blame -- have seen increases in murder rates. The same horror stories about blood in the streets have surrounded the debate over concealed handguns.
Some said it was necessary to ban guns in public places. The horror stories never came true and the data is now so obvious that as of November, only one state, Illinois, will still completely ban law-abiding from carrying concealed handguns.
Forty-one states will have either permissive right-to-carry laws or no longer even require a permit.
The regulations that still exist in Chicago and Washington primarily disarm the most likely victims of crime.
Hopefully, even the poor in these areas will soon also have more of an opportunity to defend themselves, too.
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More guns by law abiding citizens results in less crimes. Maybe more dead criminals. Did a friend of yours get shot raping and pillaging frenchy?
GL2
a friend of mine got killed in the subway two years ago so know what i'm talkin about...
Murder and violent crime rates were supposed to soar after the Supreme Court struck down gun control laws in Chicago and Washington, D.C.
Politicians predicted disaster. "More handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence," Washington’s Mayor Adrian Fenty warned the day the court made its decision.
Chicago’s Mayor Daley predicted that we would "go back to the Old West, you have a gun and I have a gun and we'll settle it in the streets . . . ."
The New York Times even editorialized this month about the Supreme Court's "unwise" decision that there is a right for people "to keep guns in the home."
But Armageddon never happened. Newly released data for Chicago shows that, as in Washington, murder and gun crime rates didn't rise after the bans were eliminated -- they plummeted. They have fallen much more than the national crime rate.
Not surprisingly, the national media have been completely silent about this news.
One can only imagine the coverage if crime rates had risen. In the first six months of this year, there were 14% fewer murders in Chicago compared to the first six months of last year – back when owning handguns was illegal. It was the largest drop in Chicago’s murder rate since the handgun ban went into effect in 1982.
Meanwhile, the other four most populous cities saw a total drop at the same time of only 6 percent.
Similarly, in the year after the 2008 "Heller" decision, the murder rate fell two-and-a-half times faster in Washington than in the rest of the country.
It also fell more than three as fast as in other cities that are close to Washington's size. And murders in Washington have continued to fall.
If you compare the first six months of this year to the first six months of 2008, the same time immediately preceding the Supreme Court's late June "Heller" decision, murders have now fallen by thirty-four percent.
Gun crimes also fell more than non-gun crimes.
Robberies with guns fell by 25%, while robberies without guns have fallen by eight percent. Assaults with guns fell by 37%, while assaults without guns fell by 12%.
Just as with right-to-carry laws, when law-abiding citizens have guns some criminals stop carrying theirs.
The benefit could have been even greater. Getting a handgun permit in Chicago and Washington is an expensive and difficult process, meaning only the relatively wealthy go through it.
Through the end of May only 2,144 people had handguns registered in Chicago. That limits the benefits from the Supreme Court decisions since it is the poor who are the most likely victims of crime and who benefit the most from being able to protect themselves.
The biggest change for Washington was the Supreme Court striking down the law making it illegal to have a loaded gun. Over 70,000 people have permits for long guns that they can now legally used to protect themselves.
Lower crime rates in Chicago and Washington, by themselves, don’t prove that gun control increases murders, even when combined with the quite familiar story of how their murder rates soared and stayed high after the gun bans were imposed.
But these aren’t isolated examples. Around the world, whenever guns are banned, murder rates rise.
Gun control advocates explained the huge increases in murder and violent crime rates Chicago and Washington by saying that those bans weren’t fair tests unless the entire country adopted a ban.
Yet, even island nations, such as Ireland and the U.K. -- with no neighbors to blame -- have seen increases in murder rates. The same horror stories about blood in the streets have surrounded the debate over concealed handguns.
Some said it was necessary to ban guns in public places. The horror stories never came true and the data is now so obvious that as of November, only one state, Illinois, will still completely ban law-abiding from carrying concealed handguns.
Forty-one states will have either permissive right-to-carry laws or no longer even require a permit.
The regulations that still exist in Chicago and Washington primarily disarm the most likely victims of crime.
Hopefully, even the poor in these areas will soon also have more of an opportunity to defend themselves, too.
Your post doesn't prove anything
It's only the same old NRA propaganda
First, the USA's homicide rate is still FOUR times higher than Western Europe countries' one.
Second, states with low gun ownership rate and/or strict gun laws (such as New York State, New Jersey, Massachussets and California) STILL have a LOWER homicide rate than NRA utopias such as Louisiana, South Carolina, Florida and Texas
Third, Chicago has experienced a decline in crime in the past 20 years, whereas New Orleans (the cherished and beloved NRA utopia) is still one of the world most violent cities whereas NYC, Los Angeles, San Jose and San Diego have - again - a lower homicide rate, close to european standards.
Bye!
there is no real link at all. the country has had an amazing surge in number of permits issued the last 2 years. it was so bad at one point we had an ammunition shortgage.
homocides with firearms are down overall .
these attempted links at proving or disproving things are a useless point.
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The largest army on the planet is probably China. A W.A.G would be maybe ten million armed soldiers. There are an estimated 60 to 100 million gun owners in the United States. I wonder if the Chinese Communist Party would be holding power today if there were 100 million Chinese citizens that owned guns?
GL2
There are so many unsubstantiated "believes" in your claims. First, China' army is only 1,600,000 men strong. Determined and armless 1.3 billions could steam roll 1.6 millions into ground. China's capitalism is much wilder and rugged than current American version. Despite nasty conditions Chinese comrades extract sufficient amount of the popular support. Chinese and American inmates of the "rag to riches" paradigm will gladly jail & supervise themselves at a fraction of the totalitarian costs.
Second, the only principal difference between political systems of China & USA - Chinese oligarchy cannot (yet) install its puppets to the highest offices while American one can do it easily. Chinese do have elections, it just that Chinese oligarchs cannot convert their $ into power yet using election circus. And surprisingly (unlike beacons of Democracy like Russia (especially), Ukraine, USA etc.) top Chinese party officials are not transforming their power into exuberant amount of the private $ for whatever reason. High level corruption is a favorite tool of the American foreign policy (serving you know whom), it did miracle in destruction of Russia, Africa, Latin America, most of Asia & appropriating its resources for less, yet it doesn't work that well in China, and that's just too upsetting.
9.5 out of 10 American elections are won by the guy with deeper wallet, in the past corporate and financial interests needed to set up bogus "grass root" decoys to tunnel $ to the candidate of their choice. Since supreme court gave green light to the unlimited corporate contributions, they keep on disguising their contributions solely for the PR sake. How your shot gun would handle that, huh?
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whereas NYC, Los Angeles, San Jose and San Diego have - again - a lower homicide rate, close to european standards. 
