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Old 06-05-2012, 06:35 AM
 
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I think culture is a huge factor. The way people relate to each other in the internal workings of a home, the importance that parents place on cultivating the mind. Parents can be role models. Teaching very young children self control, not to scream, how to sit and color or behave quietly. Perhaps the biggest gift that a parent can give a child is to read to him daily. Start at a young age choosing carefully whom is acceptable as your child's friends.

People who are not willing or able to put the time into their children are treating them as animals in a barnyard and perhaps they should not have them.
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:37 PM
 
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Pro-social behavior must come from the home FIRST! Our poor teachers are swamped with kids who have known few boundries in behavior and when they come to the classroom, the teacher, instead of teaching subjects, is saddled with trying to make them conform and behave. The good kids as usual are punished. If a kid is totally screwed up, charge the parent to pay for additional prosocial behavioral theraphy.
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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Default No, not true

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African slaves were bought to the U.S. mainland starting in the 1500's with the first official colony being established in Jamestown Virigina in 1619

Dennis,

No, the first slaves came to St. Augustine, FL about 70 years earlier.
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:27 AM
 
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due to the new Jewish survey that just came out I feel it's worth while to write this

according to the recent Jewish federation survey there are 133,000 Orthodox children (5-17) living in NYC, LI, and Westchester in Yeshivas. Even after factoring out the suburbs (non white Orthodox Jews are way to small to change anything) around 1/4th of all white school age children will be going to Yeshivas for religious reasons.

2010 census
total children under 18 1,768,111
White 438,485 (24.8%)
Black 441,237 (25.0%)
Hispanic 626,872 (35.5%)
Asian 196,367 (11.1%)
A. Indian 5,692 (.3%)
other 59,458 (3.4%)

I repeat segregation is inevitable.
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Old 06-17-2012, 08:02 AM
 
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About Jewish elementary schools. In NYC, people have the law to open a school in whatever language they please. In this case we are talking about people who speak Russian, and Israeli ( Hebrew ). Keep in mind the actitivities of the areas of those worlds, and the ghettos in ours

I think I mentioned it before. One time I was walking by one of these schools, and a group of kids was having a sing along. The group was very diversed, with some Asian, European, and American looking children. However, I wanted to laugh because the song was not in English. One kid spoke out and said
"is the next one going to be in english, " and the song player said "this one is also in Russian ".

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Obama was raised by whites. He therefore doesnt have some of the issues that most AAs might have.
Obama is from Hawaii, and his mother divorced from his father, who deported himself. Then she went chasing after an Korean man, where he also followed her So the basic, idea of his upbringing was her,
and not any Obama's traditions. Then he also grewed up on the mainland. If anybody noticed the fire red dress his wife was wearing. Obama probably was never exposed the youth culture of the United States.
To be negative, he was probably considered that one black guy, who appeared in the youthfull films.

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Socially segregated from whites most AAs dont know this.....and so are very conservative in their dealing with whites the way some one might be with a dog which they dont know.
I will give you that point. There are ideas, and ways of thinking that crosses our great nation. That is what makes it auwsome. Like I own a dog and everybody who never owned a dog is like "ohhhh noeesss
a wolf" "get it away from us". However the "fellowship" of white storm could answer that better. Americans are disconected with their European counter parts. People are still thinking like the way
I did, when I was 13 years old.

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Foreign blacks do not have past patterns of anti black attitudes as a template to inform their belief contemporary racial attitudes of whites.
United States is a very progressive nation unlike other nations. We move foward, while everybody else
is still living in 1991, 1965, and 1923. However you see that, especially with older citizens, because we admire our parents ways of life. By progressive, the USA is a commercialized culture, and we just play follow the leader. Instead of protesting a war, we just followed, because half the nation can't understand why we do not need to fight. In all nations, their are people in the bottom the barrel, usually it is the commercialized people.

The reason why they do not have he patterns, is because they are not Americans. They are fake Americans, green card holders. Like what we did when the Berlin Wall fell, we imported, new citizens to replace the broken citizens. Right now I speak for all, Americans, when I say, they screwed everybody
over right now from 2001, and their are tons of people who are broken inside.

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Face it the fact that racism is less of an issue today than it was 20 years ago doesnt mean that the scars dont live on.
Right now racism is extremly high. If it was 1950-2001 right now, during those times, racism was at it's lowest because people were going to extremes, to counter it. Right before 1980's, that was America. America did fall in the sense that people were accepting negros as real citizens. 1950-2000 is known to be the era jazz, and if you know anything about Jazz, you will know that it was primarly a negro thing.

1980's they had to sieze all the monies away from the negros, because now they were a force to deal with. They were educated, and making coperate decisions. 1980's was as perfect as this nation could get. Rap was even a good thing, and creative.

Then people started to be released from prison, which created the prison culture. Instead of doing anything to slove the problem, it just grew. But hey it was okay, because a war rolled in, 2001. Perfect
oppertunity to prevent soilent green. I wonder the survival rate of people in the military based on race?

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These kids often develop a sense of limitation by virtue of being black.
These kids are Americans, and share the knowledge, that standard Americans have, until they enter the working world.

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A newly arrived black immigrant has less of this so is better positioned to take advantage of opportunities,
They do not see themselves as American at all. America has not been America since 1985. Right now anti-American ( like Anti-semticism ) is in the air. People would hire a non-american person, or a person who looks like a boy in the military. Basically the idea of freindly is damaged, by American culture.

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An AA raised in majority white suburbs will be no differet.
Will most likley try to be as sterotypical black as possible. They will probably just be as paranoid, to
areas of the city with little or no services.

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Just as how most white Americans appear to have the belief that most AAs have an irrational hatred of them (interesting given that AAs worship a white image every Sunday....some even becoming enraged if it is suggested that an image more closely resembling them can be offered as an alternative). So too do AAs have similar apprehensions of whites. The older they are the stronger their beliefs are.
What you are talking about is people who grewed up with a religious background. The image of Jesus is damaged, and is pulled from side to side. Primarly what people see is the Irish ( the heart of Christ Jesus )
because they are on the low end of stick when it comes to being an european. Only in America they thrive.

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Indeed how many people know that there has been a sharp increase in the enrollment of AAs in college over the past 30 years? Most AAs and whites talk instead about failing black males at the other end of the acheivement spectrum.
Over the past 30 years, people have been told about getting paid, and that college will help that. People go to college to make themselve more valuable. Most people do not know how to live without college.
About failing, it is the youth culture, however this is okay for failing, their are many people like that.

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A Nigerian or a Jamaican might find such a fixation on black failure is odd, given the numerous examples of black success in their homelands. Unfortunately their perspective towards AAs often falls into the model often perpetrated by BOTH black and white Americans.
You can't put African people, and West Indian people in the same barrel. One comes from a starving land, that is being robbed by the nations of Europe. One is a former colony, for god knows why they wanted independence that costed them their natural resources. As mentioned before, their are people on the bottom of the barrel everywhere.
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:47 AM
 
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I agree race is not the problem, its bad parenting its part of the problem but also schools provide lack of sources for kids to excel and improve individual motivation for students of color such as role model figures. No positive role models kids will look up to a pair of Air Jordans or a portrait of Lebron James for motivation. With this new ecoonomic crisis we have been in the past four years white people across America and even in this city are feeling the pinch of what Hispanics, Blacks and Native Americans go through such as being single mothers, massive debt issues and poor credit scores galore etc. NYKIDDO you should tell poor parents to go to Plan Parenthood and not resort to your baptist pastor who was once friends with Martin Luther King Jr or the Catholic Priest who seen the spirit of Pope John Paul the 2nd for parenting advice or even worse tell them to stop resorting to a bottle of Hennessy or Purple Hazes and Sours.

Do you really think abortion will do no harm? there has been evidence that abortion only causes what it was supposed to prevent...unplanned pregnancies. there are actually more unplanned pregnancies because of the availabity of abortions, not less. Acccording to some doctors the availabity of birth control pills, contraceptives, etc. really doesn't "prevent" the problems of STDS and unwanted pregnancies as muich as we would like to think. It just tells us to not worry about having intercourse "because stuff like STDS and unwanted pregnancies are never going to happen" when it fact the risk is still there. Plus saying that poor parents should go to Planned Parenthood is pretty much like saying "you poor people will not have a good chance in life so it's good to just get rid of your offspring therefore this country should just repopulate middle and upper class." I know plenty of poor parents who have successful kids. I know one guy who used to live in the projects now he's a lawyer. In fact Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor came from a similar background and is now a supreme court justice.


We've already seen the effects of genocide of those who were looked upon as "low" in Nazi Germany. Do we really have to go back to this?
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:20 AM
 
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We've already seen the effects of genocide of those who were looked upon as "low" in Nazi Germany. Do we really have to go back to this?
A major difference (there are many): How "low" is defined, and the amount of mobility a given person has to change this. In Nazi Germany there was zero possibility to change because you were either Jewish or you were not - racially speaking. Even a converted Jew would be sent to the camps and murdered. Right now, most people, granted that there will be your actual racists, are objecting to a culture, to a lifestyle - GHETTO. Adherence to this non-obligatory lifestyle, the choices people make, are costing a lot of money, are placing people in danger with constant gun fighting, and so on. This creates a situation where quality-of-life is abysmal for the normal people. It creates and produces children who will never succeed normally given crap diets and sleep deprivation alone. They will only become the future adherents of ghetto culture. A few very very exceptional children will do better. But your average person will not. This is tragic to me.

I have repeatedly explained to people in Harlem, various areas, that the guns, the dog breeding and fighting, the littering, the birth processes that begin at age 12, continue because it is the consensus of the communities to support these CHOICES of lifestyle. Failing to speak out is also a choice. When such behaviors no longer find ready acceptance, they will stop - not before. The choices are theirs and too many consistently make the wrong choices. And then visit them on everyone around.
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Old 06-29-2012, 04:52 AM
 
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Do you really think abortion will do no harm? there has been evidence that abortion only causes what it was supposed to prevent...unplanned pregnancies. there are actually more unplanned pregnancies because of the availabity of abortions, not less. Acccording to some doctors the availabity of birth control pills, contraceptives, etc. really doesn't "prevent" the problems of STDS and unwanted pregnancies as muich as we would like to think. It just tells us to not worry about having intercourse "because stuff like STDS and unwanted pregnancies are never going to happen" when it fact the risk is still there. Plus saying that poor parents should go to Planned Parenthood is pretty much like saying "you poor people will not have a good chance in life so it's good to just get rid of your offspring therefore this country should just repopulate middle and upper class." I know plenty of poor parents who have successful kids. I know one guy who used to live in the projects now he's a lawyer. In fact Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor came from a similar background and is now a supreme court justice.


We've already seen the effects of genocide of those who were looked upon as "low" in Nazi Germany. Do we really have to go back to this?
This seems to be filled with bogus information that just highlights a few successful cases. The facts are that without a certain standard in lifestyle, chances are a kid is not going to do well in our society. Parents who have children who they cannot provide for are just selfish. There is no longer an excuse for sloppy family planning in today's society.

Every child deserves a stable home, a quiet space of their own, a decent school in a non threatening neighborhood, good meals and good medical care. If you don't feel secure that you can provide this, don't have offspring.

Public assistance should go to those who can provide these things who, through no fault of their own, fall on rough times.

There is nothing racist intended here. The majority on public assistance are white.
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Old 07-01-2012, 01:15 AM
 
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The majority on public assistance are white.
I believe this is untrue. The wiki entry on poverty says "In FY 2009, black families comprised 33.3% of TANF families, non-Hispanic white families comprised 31.2%, and 28.8% were Hispanic."
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Old 07-01-2012, 05:09 AM
 
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I believe this is untrue. The wiki entry on poverty says "In FY 2009, black families comprised 33.3% of TANF families, non-Hispanic white families comprised 31.2%, and 28.8% were Hispanic."
Numbers dont tell th picture. Yes blacks have a higher rate of public assistance but overall in numbers its mostly whited who recieve public assisstance. You have to remember 12% of America is black.
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