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You pose an interesting question. When you say "were you born here, were your parents born here, were your grandparents born here"..my answer is yes, yes and yes. They were all US citizens, but born in Puerto Rico (with the exception of me, I was born in Mt. Sinai hospital), so we are Hispanic. Does that make us immigrants? How can you be an immigrant in a country that you have citizenship? Are you an immigrant if you move from NJ to NYC? Puerto Rico is no different, at least in theory. And they speak a completely different language, have an entirely different history and culture, and demographic. Interesting huh?
The German Jews faciliated the entry of the Russian/Polish Jews. They set up many charities, etc.
Who took care of African American and AfroCaribbean migrants to NYC in the early 20th C when they faced far higher barriers to employment and housing than did the Jews?
Listen if your point is to show that Eastern European Jews had it hard relative to German Jews and WASPs you make your point.
But up to now you have yet to furnish any proof that they had it as bad or worse than blacks in NYC.
Black women were locked out of the garment industry and almost totally confined to work as domestics where conditions were even worse. Black men were also locked out of manufacturing, excpet in the most poorly paid and dangerous jobs. That is for those lucky enough to find work when many couldnt. Do you know that a Pullman porter job was considered a good job and many of them HAD COLLEGE DEGREES!!!! Yes this is a job where they endured daily insults and had to grovel to bigots when serving them food/drink for goodness knows what meager pay.
Blacks in nyc had it good until 1863 when the draft riots started and Irish immigrants and 1st generation Americans started attacking black Americans in the city who earned better wages than most immigrants. Riots started because of a conscription bill passed by the feds which angered many New Yorkers especially poor white folks. When the riots were over NYC black population dropped for good and would not increase back until 1st great migration. Sadly as I type this its acrltually the anniversary when the riot was quelled by troops and cops.
It's so stupid to argue about who had it worse - Jews or African Americans. It was really bad for both populations. Suffering is not a contest.
Jew's suffered for the past 3000 years under the yolk of, Egypt, sea peoples, Babylons, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, crusaders, Spanish empire, kingdom of Portugal, Vatican, kingdom of France, Russian Empire, Nazi Germany, Soviet union, Arab States, Russian Federation. Jews had it tough. Not only that but the civilizations I have mentioned were one way shape or form a dominate regional ot super power and many targeted Jews for political gain. African Americans only been around since 1776 and to ne honest at an historical perspective African Americans faired much better than the Jews.
Blacks in nyc had it good until 1863 when the draft riots started and Irish immigrants and 1st generation Americans started attacking black Americans in the city who earned better wages than most immigrants. Riots started because of a conscription bill passed by the feds which angered many New Yorkers especially poor white folks. When the riots were over NYC black population dropped for good and would not increase back until 1st great migration. Sadly as I type this its acrltually the anniversary when the riot was quelled by troops and cops.
In other words life got significantly worse for them once European immigration began in in large numbers. Indeed so much so that many fled NYC. Note that it was these Euro immigrants and their immediate off spring who began these riots. Funny that people who had just arrived felt they had more rights than those who began to arrive in 1620, and most can claim descent from people who were present in the USA in 1776. Funny that no steps were taken to protect these people by the authorities.
. African Americans only been around since 1776 and to ne honest at an historical perspective African Americans faired much better than the Jews.
Having written all your claims that have nothing to do with the experience of these groups in the USA, now re write it starting from the 1800s only within the USA.
In 1880 most AAs were peoples who were born in US based slavery, or the direct descendands of such. Even those who lived in the North feared being snatched back into slavery with very limited legal recourse. Did Irish, Jewish or others who arrived in the USA between 1800-1865 have to fear this?
Note that Jews arrived in the USA fleeing oppression in Europe, and as bad as life for them was they were not enslaved, nor did they suffer specific discrimination targeted against them SANCTIONED BY LAW that AAs had.
Its silly talking ablout who in the USA suffered more, Jews or blacks, because it is quite clear that blacks did.
In addition to the fact that there is almost no institution as destructive of a people as was the system of TransAtlantic slavery where people were not only treated as chattel, thus deprived even of the ability to escape their oppression, as the Jews certainly had. But were also systemitically stripped, on pain of death or severe maiming, of practising their religion, values or even having a right to form and protect their families. The very institutions which oppresed groups use to mitigate and to mobilize against their oppressors.
And on top of that a system, which by punishing and reducing opportunities for upward mobility for the most "African" of the group (by culture and/or phenotype), institutionalized a system of self hate. In otherwords the slaves beginning to buy into notions of their own inferiority with each image of a Germanic Jesus they worshipped, too filled with self hatred to worship an image more like themselves.
Now we can compare the treatment of the AA to the Native American, and maybe debate who was treated worse. But please such a debate comparing the plight of European immigrants, once they arrived in the USA, so had an opportuinityy for a fresh start....nonsense.
Having written all your claims that have nothing to do with the experience of these groups in the USA, now re write it starting from the 1800s only within the USA.
In 1880 most AAs were peoples who were born in US based slavery, or the direct descendands of such. Even those who lived in the North feared being snatched back into slavery with very limited legal recourse. Did Irish, Jewish or others who arrived in the USA between 1800-1865 have to fear this?
Note that Jews arrived in the USA fleeing oppression in Europe, and as bad as life for them was they were not enslaved, nor did they suffer specific discrimination targeted against them SANCTIONED BY LAW that AAs had.
Its silly talking ablout who in the USA suffered more, Jews or blacks, because it is quite clear that blacks did.
In addition to the fact that there is almost no institution as destructive of a people as was the system of TransAtlantic slavery where people were not only treated as chattel, thus deprived even of the ability to escape their oppression, as the Jews certainly had. But were also systemitically stripped, on pain of death or severe maiming, of practising their religion, values or even having a right to form and protect their families. The very institutions which oppresed groups use to mitigate and to mobilize against their oppressors.
And on top of that a system, which by punishing and reducing opportunities for upward mobility for the most "African" of the group (by culture and/or phenotype), institutionalized a system of self hate. In otherwords the slaves beginning to buy into notions of their own inferiority with each image of a Germanic Jesus they worshipped, too filled with self hatred to worship an image more like themselves.
Now we can compare the treatment of the AA to the Native American, and maybe debate who was treated worse. But please such a debate comparing the plight of European immigrants, once they arrived in the USA, so had an opportuinityy for a fresh start....nonsense.
I was talking in terms from an international historical sense. Of course from an American historical perspective Africam Americans were treated far worse than jews whether if they fled from, prussia, austria hungarian empire, russian empire, nazi germany, soviet union, communist cuba, islamic republic of iran, and finally Russian federation. I can say blacks are treated far better than native Americans, all Native americans have left is their casinos.
Can gentrication save and improve city schools? If out town Transplants settle and build there career and lives in up and coming nyc neighborhoods. If Transplants have children they too will decide if they should stay or move back to the burbs due to better schools. However since Transplants reject suburban lifestyles like cars for example will outrighr prefer the city. Do you guys think Transplants will send there kids to poor performing schools from areas such as red hook in brooklyn to mott haven in the bronx and every other gentrifying hood in between? My thing is this thst transplants can introduce suburban sensablilites into area schools forcing teachers and local parents to adapt and change.
I was talking in terms from an international historical sense. Of course from an American historical perspective Africam Americans were treated far worse than jews whether if they fled from, prussia, austria hungarian empire, russian empire, nazi germany, soviet union, communist cuba, islamic republic of iran, and finally Russian federation. I can say blacks are treated far better than native Americans, all Native americans have left is their casinos.
I am talking about what happened within the USA. Fact is as bad as Jews had it in their early days in the USA African Americans had it, and to a degree still have it, way worse.
Do you know that a fair % of the black males doing security guard jobs have college or associates degrees? Yes a job fit for high school drop outs. And this isnt a recent phenomenon driven by the current Great Recession either. Clearly they didnt go to college to do a dangerous $10/hour job, but this is the best that happens to be available to those forced to do this.
As to Native Americans. Do you know that those who left the reservations are almost as well off as are whites? That is like viewing AAs in terms of those confined to the Mississippi Delta. Those left in the worst places end up badly, but it can hardly be seen as a descriptor of the whole. Think of this. If Depp (Caribbean pirates) had a smuch black ancestry a she has Native he would be considered black. Most Native Americans fall into the "white" catergory....they are whites with Native American ancestry.
BTW there are loads of AAs with minute % of Native ancetsry running around getting re classified as Native to get that casino $$$. Dont under estimate how beneficial it is to those who are able to get it.
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