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^3 not totally. many black youths are motivated by other black athletes and musicians,
because they are the ones making the most money, not some working stiff out here.
they probably think they will never catch up that way, and many times, they are right.
you still have to do what you have to do tho, so get money.
Yes you make an excellent point here. It is something that frankly is not discussed enough. Black and Latino nyc communities in particular need to take a harder look at themselves and come to the table with honest assesments and solutions. Things are not getting better, they are getting worse. It's a complicated issue with many ugly heads that need to be attacked. I agree with some of the things Bloomy admin has done like breaking up failing schools for instance. I also like that they are trying to find someway to evaluate teachers. These are good things but a lot of teaching to a test is going on. Also a big problem I see is there is no accountability with these kids. They know summer school is likely easier so to them school is one big joke.
My point is that those of us who grow up in the Caribbean do not have a stigma attached to us of black=failure. Its a "black" thing to study hard and to enter the more challenging academic studies.
My point is to raise the question of why many Caribbean kids fall into problems in the USA when their cousins back in the Caribbean dont. The two sets of parents would have the ssame values...indeed the one who migarted to the USA would be expected to be the more ambitiopus and risk taking..as migrants usually are. Yet the outcome for the kids is often worse.
Talking to teachers brought in from the Caribbean is interesting when they tell you the problems that DoE and others give them when they trty to bring Caribbean systems of accountability and personal responsibility into the schools where they are placed. Their horror and the difference between Caribbean descended kids in high schools in NYC and the Cbn. When they try to introduce the notion that kids ought to realize that its THEIR responsibility (and their parents) and not the teachers, to draw what thei can from their schools its notbtehy kids who object but the institutions themselves. Accusations that many of these teachers are bringing in archaic Victorian values that "demean" the kids self esteem,
This isnt an excuse for institutions to blame the victim and walk away thinking that they dont play a role in all of this. Its the system and the individuals involved.
Asians are low key and shy away from spot lights. But it is changing, especially for 2nd and 3rd generations. John Liu is getting ready to run for NYC mayor.
I am not claiming that John Liu hasnt made mistakes but you will note that he is being held to a higher standard than he would if he were Jewish or part of the Old White Male networks.
I'm saying asians are on track to be in a good position in society.
Carry on as usual
Not too sure of that. They do well in school but its what happens after thsi that matters. Yes their statistics show progress but then its notewprthy that while they are OVER represented in the low/mid professional ranks they are UNDER represented in the upper middle management ranks. Legions of them are running around seeking unpaid internships because it is much harder for them to find a job. And the meekness that makes others comfortable with them early in their careers proves a liability later on.
I am not claiming that John Liu hasnt made mistakes but you will note that he is being held to a higher standard than he would if he were Jewish or part of the Old White Male networks.
Old white male networks like Hevesi, Kruger, Vincent Leibell, Brian McLaughlin etc?
If they weren't white they'd be in prison right now.
I do not know about all that, specifically with Jamaicans, Jamaica has a history of skin bleaching. Add to that the violence is out of hand and the corruption of the government as well.
They might bleach but they dont refuse to study. Ironicaly the darker girls study harder then the lighter ones. They feel they must as they are less likely to get the "pretty girl" jobs or to be a trophy wife.
The notion that excelling academically is beyond the capabilities of blacks is an alien concept in the Englsih speasking Caribbean. Ironically its the reverse stereotype. A light skin female with agood job might be seeing as using her feminine "wiles?. The darker woman seen as working for it.
In 1990 I went to the Country Club, where the elites play tennis and golf. Noted that the older men were light skinned and the younger ones were dark. Asked why and was told that the blacks were more qualified and so as skin color began to matter less, got the jobs. Ironically it wa stheir very blackness that forced them to take education seriously. If they ran around saying studying is a "brown man ting" no one will take them seriously, least of all other blacks.
BTW an educated woman in Jca will never admit that they bleach, even if they do. Its the "downtown gyal dem who want pretty girl jobs". Kind of like the brunette in the USA who dies her hair blonde to land the US version of the "pretty girl job" or to be the trophy wife.
Not too sure of that. They do well in school but its what happens after thsi that matters. Yes their statistics show progress but then its notewprthy that while they are OVER represented in the low/mid professional ranks they are UNDER represented in the upper middle management ranks. Legions of them are running around seeking unpaid internships because it is much harder for them to find a job. And the meekness that makes others comfortable with them early in their careers proves a liability later on.
Yea, so we'll see in a decade's time. Check the representation in science, medicine and law. As to what happens afterwards, household income is not the worst indicator, and thats already above whites.
As for "meekness" - pure racist bullcrap. Go ahead tho.
^3 not totally. many black youths are motivated by other black athletes and musicians,
because they are the ones making the most money, not some working stiff out here.
they probably think they will never catch up that way, and many times, they are right.
you still have to do what you have to do tho, so get money.
Hmmm. I once went to that school in the Bronx opposite from Fordham...cant remember the name but Bronxites will definietly know it.
Kids were 100% black/hispanic (PRican/Dominican) and almost 100% from poor backgrounds. When asked what their aspirations were I heard paralegal, nurse, automechanic, computer repair, etc. None of these occupations being beyond their capabilities. Their issue is that they didnt understand that the skills/credentials that they needed to succeed in those occupations were based on what they got from high school.
Its a fallacy that these kids all want to be rappers and ball players. They arent so foolish to think so when they most likely dont know an one who has succeeded doing this.
What I saw were a few kids who would succeed despite the odds. Some other strong willed, bright and innovative kids who wedre going the wrong way and doing their best to drag others with them. And the majority who were confused and lacked guidance. Note that the "criminal" element wqere patrolling the halls terrifying the teachers so werent in the room....maybe 1/3 of the kids.
Yea, so we'll see in a decade's time. Check the representation in science, medicine and law. As to what happens afterwards, household income is not the worst indicator, and thats already above whites.
As for "meekness" - pure racist bullcrap. Go ahead tho.
Yes time will tell. Evidence is they land the entry level professionjal jobs but are seen as being too "meek" to be romoted as managers.
Asians in general and Asian MALES in particular, have a number of issues to deal with in the real world. Indeed Asian males suffer from the reverse stereotype that black men do to the point where many Asian women dont want them. Check out Asian sites and there is this dynamic. There is a dychotomy between Asian females who ahve high intermarriage rates and Asin males who are now intermarrying at LOWER rates than are black males.
Now these comments refer to the 2nd generation Asians. By the 3rd generation they are equivalent to whites...not meek and not especially successful academically. And yes just as likely to do liberal arts as a ciop out from the more challenging STEM or Finance courses.
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