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Saying "We're not doing well in healthcare/prison population/infrastucture/xxxx. Let us look at what the countries that do well are doing, and learn from that" is tabbo in US politics while perfectly normal in coutries which doesn't have a lot of self-image invested in thinking themselves the "Greatest country".
Welcome to Manifest Destiny and its friends, 2013.
Trash the educational system and most people will not even know what this was, much less the consequences of this powerful set of assumptions in the contemporary world.
I don't think you know much about Sweden and its economy. Since instituting the welfare state, Sweden's economy tumbled in the 70s and 80s. Mid-90s Sweden started roll-back of social programs, deregulation, privatization of Govt owned, and other "capitalistic" measures. Economy is largely private.Sweden actually has a higher wealth disparity than US. Swedish economy is one of the most competitive in the world (4th). Productivity is almost as high as the US.
Taxes have been reduced also since the 90s. Although still high, they are moving in the opposite direction we are moving.
Sweden has a demographics trend -- in about 30 years, at this pace, immigrants will be the majority of their population. Many were attracted to Sweden by its freebies (social programs), and have become - Swedes call them parasytes. Hence, gasp liberals, reduction, rollbacks of social programs. Did I mention that the pension system in Sweden is private??
When things go badly wrong which is the case with this country it's time to choose a different path like wise humans would do. Right now USA is like a moth to a flame.
Wrong. Circulating this myth has, however, seen some success.
Wealth disparity has increased as the wealthy (and their employees) become more adept at squeezing profit from any and all venues, and at hiding this for tax purposes. Exploiting loopholes, and across the board.
You say I am wrong, yet you make the same argument
Loopholes? Who creates them? Isn't Congress part of the Govt? Subsidies for businesses? Who do they benefit? Farm bill, which is made in the name of the poor, a.k.a. Nutritious food for food stampees? Big agrobusiness benefits. Bank bailouts by our Govt? Who benefited? Govt's intereference in the housing market? Who benefitted? The poor or the rich?
Ask yourself the question -- who benefits from our Govt programs? Obviously not the poor -- poverty rate remains the same. So what has gone up? (Rhetorical question).
Answer is wealth disparity. Marx knew this almost two centuries ago. Govt does things in the name of the people, yet the real benefactors are the ruling class. Why? Because the Govt is the ruling class. And those ain't you and me.
You say I am wrong, yet you make the same argument
Loopholes? Who creates them? Isn't Congress part of the Govt? Subsidies for businesses? Who do they benefit? Farm bill, which is made in the name of the poor, a.k.a. Nutritious food for food stampees? Big agrobusiness benefits. Bank bailouts by our Govt? Who benefited? Govt's intereference in the housing market? Who benefitted? The poor or the rich?
Ask yourself the question -- who benefits from our Govt programs? Obviously not the poor -- poverty rate remains the same. So what has gone up? (Rhetorical question).
Answer is wealth disparity. Marx knew this almost two centuries ago. Govt does things in the name of the people, yet the real benefactors are the ruling class. Why? Because the Govt is the ruling class. And those ain't you and me.
The government is not the ruling class and has not been for some time.
The meaningful loopholes are not created. They are located, exploiting the presence of assumptions that were not previously covered by (government) regulation.
When things go badly wrong which is the case with this country it's time to choose a different path like wise humans would do. Right now USA is like a moth to a flame.
Different path will not happen. There is "America" and everything else is "commie" theory.
"Anti-American."
And some of the wealthiest laugh, all of the way to the bank. Because people could smarten up. They just don't.
The government is not the ruling class and has not been for some time.
Don't kid yourself -- Govt has never not been the ruling class.
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Subsidies are the least of anyone's worries.
You probably don't understood too how "small" subsidies, from oil companies to greenies, further enrich the rich. Subsidies are not there by accident. Neither are the loopholes. Sure they throw a few crumbs toward the middle class and the poor, to keep their mouths shut and keep watching the Kardashians, which you so rightly pointed out.
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