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Prior to 1994 they stayed with their parents (if they were from here) till they had enough money to get their own place. If they were from some other place they had roommates until they moved up enough to get their own place.
Same as now.
Really what is all this whining for? It changes nothing.
Keep in mind landlords are business people out to make money, not take care of people for the rest of their lives. As business people they will charge what the market will bear.
It's in the city's best financial interest to have this development as well as the real estate taxes fill city coffers.
How ironic that both CaribNY and Bronxguyanese often hate liberals and "liberal" solutions, yet they weep and wail when confronted on how the markets and capitalism work.
There are lots of Hispanic and Asian immigrants who can live with multiple people per housing unit and who are willing to work hard for low wages.
So the working class CaribNY claims to love so much is expendable. If they can't match Hispanic or Asian immigrants per output employers don't want them so it's BYE Felicia. The service sector work, particularly the hardest parts of it are mainly done by either immigrants or people who have criminal records and therefore can't find better employment.
Realistically nothing will change the city will constantly use recent immigrants and people with records to staff low paying jobs indefinitely. Yes business people earn more money this way.
And by the way at some point people with records do need jobs or else they will be homeless and end up stealing. After people pay their debts to society they deserve another chance.
How ironic that both CaribNY and Bronxguyanese often hate liberals and "liberal" solutions, yet they weep and wail when confronted on how the markets and capitalism work.
There are lots of Hispanic and Asian immigrants who can live with multiple people per housing unit and who are willing to work hard for low wages.
So the working class CaribNY claims to love so much is expendable. If they can't match Hispanic or Asian immigrants per output employers don't want them so it's BYE Felicia. The service sector work, particularly the hardest parts of it are mainly done by either immigrants or people who have criminal records and therefore can't find better employment.
Realistically nothing will change the city will constantly use recent immigrants and people with records to staff low paying jobs indefinitely. Yes business people earn more money this way.
And by the way at some point people with records do need jobs or else they will be homeless and end up stealing. After people pay their debts to society they deserve another chance.
Oops ... a mistake.
I do believe you used "BYE Felicia" in one of your anti-hispanic rants.
One of the ones where you accused people of being "freeloaders" and racialized your rant by using the name "Felicia."
Therefore it doesn't work here.
Under the rubric of FYI - "capitalism" argues that the "invisible hand" will cause wages to automatically rise to support life in a given venue. Without interference such as the exploitation of illegals.
To put it simply for you, interference = anti-capitalism; totalitarianism. You lack a basic understanding of capitalism.
I do think the South Bronx is a good investment but realistically it could take years or so till you see worthwhile gentrification. Maybe it will happen sooner, but either way it's still going to take more time and more money. The South Bronx would need further corporate investment in the form of jobs/substantial corporate operations and Harlem would need to gentrify further (that's happening now, but we'd need more more gentrification in Harlem and maybe Washington Heights before that overflow really hits the South Bronx.
And yes, grocery store and other store options aren't all that great. But not enough gentrifiers have moved in yet for the retail sector to make better investments.
The whites you speak of are marginal whites. They are the first gentrifiers (starving artists), but if the South Bronx truly takes off they will be pushed out. Filmmakers who make a lot of money live in well to do areas (Manhattan, Western Brooklyn or Western Queens) as the real estate industry in well off areas requires actual income and assets in order for someone to get a place.
There is no question Bronx, namely the south section of Grand Concourse will gentrify and outdo Queens and Bronx. Reason? Architecture and grid. It's geography represents a home away from the bustle of the city and originally developed more than a century ago during the City Beautiful movement, and is reflected in some of the most beautiful Art Deco and Art Moderne architecture in the city. It differs from other neighborhoods because it was originally built for upward mobile middle and uppermiddle class, wheras Queens and Brooklyn began as ghettos. Additionally, the infrastructure is already in, including the IRT Jerome Avenue 4 line which takes you from 149th to Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan in 20 minutes and the B and D which run throughout Grand Concourse. The 4 by FAR surpasses any mode of transportation out of Queens (7), and Brooklyn and much more modern infrastructure and reliabilty. Some transplants ask, what is in the Bronx. The New York Yankees are, right off the Grand Concourse 161st.
The wide avenue and streets are developer's wet dream. Areas in Harlem may be bypassed in favor of the Bronx in coming years. I know for fact that large developers have been scooping up large properties past 7 years, it's just a function of time and I predict it will gentrify faster than Queens and Brooklyn.
I do believe you used "BYE Felicia" in one of your anti-hispanic rants.
One of the ones where you accused people of being "freeloaders" and racialized your rant by using the name "Felicia."
Therefore it doesn't work here.
Under the rubric of FYI - "capitalism" argues that the "invisible hand" will cause wages to automatically rise to support life in a given venue. Without interference such as the exploitation of illegals.
To put it simply for you, interference = anti-capitalism; totalitarianism. You lack a basic understanding of capitalism.
I do see the craziness creeping in.
I am not anti Hispanic. Those you call illegal come to NYC and it is their choice to stay and work here. So business use them to reduce labor costs for unskilled jobs. That is capitalism plain and simple. Why pay an American working class when you can have a big city full of immigrant working class willing to work for less and live in more crowded spaces?
So again Bye Felicia is quite appropriate to the working class CaribNy allegedly lives, as he and they hate any liberal proposal that could counter this. And so nothing will counter it:
There is no question Bronx, namely the south section of Grand Concourse will gentrify and outdo Queens and Bronx. Reason? Architecture and grid. It's geography represents a home away from the bustle of the city and originally developed more than a century ago during the City Beautiful movement, and is reflected in some of the most beautiful Art Deco and Art Moderne architecture in the city. It differs from other neighborhoods because it was originally built for upward mobile middle and uppermiddle class, wheras Queens and Brooklyn began as ghettos. Additionally, the infrastructure is already in, including the IRT Jerome Avenue 4 line which takes you from 149th to Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan in 20 minutes and the B and D which run throughout Grand Concourse. The 4 by FAR surpasses any mode of transportation out of Queens (7), and Brooklyn and much more modern infrastructure and reliabilty. Some transplants ask, what is in the Bronx. The New York Yankees are, right off the Grand Concourse 161st.
The wide avenue and streets are developer's wet dream. Areas in Harlem may be bypassed in favor of the Bronx in coming years. I know for fact that large developers have been scooping up large properties past 7 years, it's just a function of time and I predict it will gentrify faster than Queens and Brooklyn.
Except Brooklyn and Queens at least the Western parts, have already gentrified. Gentrification of the South Bronx remains someone's wet dream. It is in no danger of becoming Williamsburg or LIC in the next 10 years or so.
As for Harlem being bypassed, Harlem has Columbia, City College, Mt. Sinai and other major institutions and cultural attractions and is even closer to Midtown. City and Columbia are currently expanding. Harlem has much better retail and grocery choices than the South Bronx including a Whole Foods opening up next year.
Except Brooklyn and Queens at least the Western parts, have already gentrified. Gentrification of the South Bronx remains someone's wet dream. It is in no danger of becoming Williamsburg or LIC in the next 10 years or so.
As for Harlem being bypassed, Harlem has Columbia, City College, Mt. Sinai and other major institutions and cultural attractions and is even closer to Midtown. City and Columbia are currently expanding. Harlem has much better retail and grocery choices than the South Bronx including a Whole Foods opening up next year.
I'm going off hard RE specs and numbers, $2.39billion for South Bronx properties were purchased by developers in 2014. it's already at $4.1billion this year, far exceeding the other boroughs.
The problem with Queens and Brooklyn is their neighbhoods are enclaved gentrification because of grid issues, and infrastructure. Half of brooklyn sits on a chemical dump site. Neighborhoods where it's possible to reno have already been gentrified, and now developers are leaving those boroughs. These 2 boroughs were originally ghetto/industrial neighborhoods filled with chemical/petro factories and have greater infrastructure and legal issues. There are reasons why several large run down steel beam warehouses near Greenpoint and Williamsburg are not torn down. The EPA is concerned of airborne toxins from demolition and would rather have them sit as they are. Most developers are moving out of the other boroughs to seek new projects in the Bronx. This is the trend. I'm just reporting objective RE activity.
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I'm going off hard RE specs and numbers, $2.39billion for properties were purchased by developers in 2014. it's already at $4.1billion this year, far exceeding the other boroughs.
Don't use numbers ! this becomes confusing for people who have no idea what they are talking about.
While the white working class fled, immigrants moved in to replace them. Especially Hispanics and Asians. Look at Queens for example. Those immigrants were more than happy to live in NYC and for any that do leave there are more immigrants to replace them.
The city's working class is mostly immigrant and non white.
That's because they're immigrants. Those first waves of Chinese that came in the 1970s for example are the ones now buying out in NE Queens/Bensonhurst or even out of the city all together. Places like Sunset Park, Flushing, Mott St etc are all first generation. The kids and grandkids want the house with the yard. The Dominicans, Indians, Mexicans are all just beginning to get there (wait 20 years). The Caribbeans have SE Queens/NE Bronx as their haven. The Africans will be right behind. The more things change the more they stay the same.
There is no question Bronx, namely the south section of Grand Concourse will gentrify and outdo Queens and Bronx. Reason? Architecture and grid. It's geography represents a home away from the bustle of the city and originally developed more than a century ago during the City Beautiful movement, and is reflected in some of the most beautiful Art Deco and Art Moderne architecture in the city. It differs from other neighborhoods because it was originally built for upward mobile middle and uppermiddle class, wheras Queens and Brooklyn began as ghettos. Additionally, the infrastructure is already in, including the IRT Jerome Avenue 4 line which takes you from 149th to Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan in 20 minutes and the B and D which run throughout Grand Concourse. The 4 by FAR surpasses any mode of transportation out of Queens (7), and Brooklyn and much more modern infrastructure and reliabilty. Some transplants ask, what is in the Bronx. The New York Yankees are, right off the Grand Concourse 161st.
The wide avenue and streets are developer's wet dream. Areas in Harlem may be bypassed in favor of the Bronx in coming years. I know for fact that large developers have been scooping up large properties past 7 years, it's just a function of time and I predict it will gentrify faster than Queens and Brooklyn.
Don't get me wrong, alot of what you said is true, but unfortunately the Bronx political machine may shut this all down if they think areas are beginning to reach a demographic tipping point. That's my fear.
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