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View Poll Results: Will you comply with a city issued shelter in place order?
Yes 132 74.16%
No 46 25.84%
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Old 03-17-2020, 05:34 AM
 
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It turns out that the reason for the sudden change in attitude from both DeBlasio and Trump yesterday...everyone could see it just by watching their faces on tv.. was because the latest modeling of the progression patterns and it's projections indicate a LIKELY catastrophe for the US not peaking until late June.
It predicts a total of 2,200,000 US deaths before mid to late July with a 20% death rate of anyone over 80 who contracts it

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/u...gtype=Homepage

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020...y=90&auto=webp

A lot of people will choose not to believe this of course and it could turn out to be inaccurate but it's really time for people to stop second guessing actions being taken because the possible consequences of doing nothing are mind boggling.
Even Trump, who began this whole thing indicating it was a hoax and stupidly did everything he could to "keep the numbers down" has had a complete turnaround in the last 24 hours.

Think about it. Trump and DeBlasio pretty much in the same place now on what's happening. That's pretty scary in itself. Not something I ever thought I would see on anything!
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Yes. In the article bluedog posted, it indicated that those are the potential numbers that could happen "without drastic action". That's why drastic action is being taken.
You might want to consider the possibility that you’re arguing with people who either do not mind or possibly have a preference for a disease that kills primarily the elderly and the sickly especially if immediate economic productivity is such a prized metric for them. They probably wouldn’t come out saying such explicitly, but they might.

 
Old 03-17-2020, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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You might want to consider the possibility that you’re arguing with people who either do not mind or possibly have a preference for a disease that kills primarily the elderly and the sickly especially if immediate economic productivity is such a prized metric for them. They probably wouldn’t come out saying such explicitly, but they might.
I think some already have.

Whatever....Unlike a lot of posters on CD I'm not here to argue with anybody. Just try to encourage people to think.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 05:51 AM
 
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Tie any airline bailout to an immediate, binding, permanent industry-wide mass reduction in flights/seats on flights to/from America to Asia.

Further tie it to a minimum charge for such flights of $10,000 round trip, on a permanent basis, contractually.

This would insure such travel is reduced sharply, reducing the risk this could ever recur.

Any violation by any airline should result in being prohibited from using US airports.

Instead of simply mitigating the affects of an outbreak, insure the kids of the suffering do not suffer the same fate next decade.
This would’ve been prudent in the beginning in regards to China. Over the last couple of weeks, China seems to have it much more under control that most European countries. Italy seems to be showing up as a far more common vector for coronavirus cases in other countries now.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 05:57 AM
 
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This would’ve been prudent in the beginning in regards to China. Over the last couple of weeks, China seems to have it much more under control that most European countries. Italy seems to be showing up as a far more common vector for coronavirus cases in other countries now.
Because the Italians ignored things for a few weeks even after it became obvious that there was a disaster brewing. Kept going out to bars, restaurants and carrying on as usual until finally they had to be locked down.
They lost a crucial couple of weeks in the battle and we are all paying the consequences. And it is beginning to look like we chose the Italian way rather than the Chinese way. Watching fellow NY'ers go about life as usual last week end was kind of shocking to me. Stores,restaurants,bars,barber shops, subways,busses all packed with people seemingly oblivious.

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Old 03-17-2020, 06:33 AM
 
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Yes. In the article bluedog posted, it indicated that those are the potential numbers that could happen "without drastic action". That's why drastic action is being taken.
I would still take the under number even if the city wasn’t locked down as appears to be where we are headed.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 06:35 AM
 
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You might want to consider the possibility that you’re arguing with people who either do not mind or possibly have a preference for a disease that kills primarily the elderly and the sickly especially if immediate economic productivity is such a prized metric for them. They probably wouldn’t come out saying such explicitly, but they might.
You are drawing an outrageous conclusion out of thin air.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 06:51 AM
 
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You are drawing an outrageous conclusion out of thin air.
No, you aren’t the only person out there, and unless you’re running multiple accounts, you wouldn’t be able to conclusively show that isn’t a possibility. This isn’t targeted specifically towards you.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 06:52 AM
 
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Hmm I don’t know about that one. A lot of millennials and numbers crunchers in the insurance, medical, and even the government realms probably already see the silver lining of a virus which could potentially wipe out our elder population.

Empathy aside, there are quantifiable “benefits” to such a scenario. There’s definitely people out there who are looking forward to it.
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Old 03-17-2020, 06:59 AM
 
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I would like to think that there aren’t large groups of people rooting for a disease with the potential to take out their parents and grandparents.
 
Old 03-17-2020, 07:03 AM
 
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I would like to think that there aren’t large groups of people rooting for a disease with the potential to take out their parents and grandparents.
At the very least I've seen pretty explicit comments to that effect online, but who knows, maybe that's not how they really feel or they aren't real people.
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