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Most of these “new ideas” have been tried before, unsuccessfully. If the people supporting this did just a smidge of research they’d turn up that legalizing prostitution increases human trafficking.
And lol @ the idea that Nevada is anything to emulate. Vegas et al. is a fun tourist spot for many but a total disaster for people on the fringe, which is exactly what most women who turn to prostitution are. Y’all watch too much TV if you think selling your body is in any way “empowering”. Many of those Chinese women employed in “massage parlors” are either here against their will, working off debt from being smuggled over in a shipping container, or have no other choice since there are only so many jobs at the nail salon.
Quick question, would you be ok with a brothel in your neighborhood, say on your block?
Let's address the 80,000 lb Elephant in the room for the 555th time.
This puritanical society is too much. This is why these kids can't even wipe their own a** because mommy is too busy trying to cover their eyes instead of properly educating them on important topics that are considered "controversial" like race, politics, crime, death and sex.
In other countries children are not censored they are shown the reality and lo and behold tend to mature and become self-sufficient at an earlier age.
The reason we have "Snowflakes" is because of the hand holding and coddling and nursery rhymes that continue up until college.
Now let's get to the reality - Most Brothels are going to be located in discrete or industrial zones. In Germany most Brothels are not next to daycares or churches. So no - Brothels are not going to be literally next door to you in the majority of residential areas.
Secondly - Hypothetically let's say one WAS next door - What is the impact to you? A properly regulated establishment will have traffic control be discrete. They will be subject to the same noise control requirements and nuisance standards of a restaurant or club etc. Customers will be regular people (contrary to popular belief) every day working Joes. There is a common misbelief in this country that only illegals, thieves, rapists and violent felons patronize escorts. When the reality is these are every day Men with gainful employment and physical needs, it is simple as that. There is no boogeyman. You have more to fear from the derelict on the subway preaching gospels about Christ and drug addiction.
Another thing is, like I said above you can simply tell your child that the Man is going into the establishment to ejaculate. Approaching it from a deadpan and scientific perspective accomplishes two things: It takes away the "mystery" and allure from the subject which will stop them from investigating or trying to experiment. And at least if they insist on trying to do something they will at least have the truth and knowledge and not be working with inaccurate information. It is the same way you should be explaining a homeless man with needle tracks under the bridge. My parents did not sugar coat things and told me what the outcomes and risks are associated with drugs, sex and just getting involved with certain crowds in general.
It is better that the child get the information accurately from you - Than you trying to hide the fact that this stuff goes on in society and them bumbling into situations and making irreversible mistakes because instead of informing them of the objective dangers and risks involved you tried to shield them from it.
The best way to protect children is to EDUCATE them EARLY and OFTEN. The U.S. government and special interest groups have taken it upon themselves to develop statutes and laws that don't Educate but OBFUSCATE the truth from children which leads to the inferior outcomes we saw in American Gen X and older Millennials having high teen pregnancy rates and hard drug usage.
Gen Z stats are IMPROVED due to the ease of access to information via the internet. But guidance and TRUTH/TRANSPARENCY should still come from parents.
Most of these “new ideas” have been tried before, unsuccessfully. If the people supporting this did just a smidge of research they’d turn up that legalizing prostitution increases human trafficking.
And lol @ the idea that Nevada is anything to emulate. Vegas et al. is a fun tourist spot for many but a total disaster for people on the fringe, which is exactly what most women who turn to prostitution are. Y’all watch too much TV if you think selling your body is in any way “empowering”. Many of those Chinese women employed in “massage parlors” are either here against their will, working off debt from being smuggled over in a shipping container, or have no other choice since there are only so many jobs at the nail salon.
This is a false conclusion.
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Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited.
The problem here is that they do not acknowledge - THE REASON THE RATES ARE HIGHER IN THE FIRST PLACE IS BECAUSE WITH LEGALIZATION MORE VICTIMS CAN COME FORWARD! Your "Rates" have not become higher - Your reported rates have become more statistically significant!
So your higher rates in countries with legalized prostitution means that you are actually able to see the TRUE rate prior to legalization where victims DID NOT come forward due to desiring to work in the industry - JUST NOT UNDER THE PIMP.
This is the problem with these types of analyses is it assumes that the youth whether underage or not actually WANTED to stay at home, go to school etc. It does not factor in what these kids ran away from in the first place, abusive families and sexual abuse IN THE HOME.
Legalization if anything makes it EASIER to detect human trafficking, because if you legalize prostitution the same way pornography is legalized you can then ensure AGE VERIFICATION checks are occurring and you enable victims to come forward to LAW ENFORCEMENT without fear of being locked up for engaging in illegal activity OR being forced potentially to go back to abusive family or living conditions as I mentioned above, you would not only need to legalize the trade but lower the age of consent to 16, which is the same age that emancipation and/or legal marriage is allowed in some U.S. states and other countries.
The vast majority of human trafficking victims especially those that are underage are vulnerable RUNAWAYS and we must start there. If you are willing to clothe, house and feed them and give them job training etc. you can convince them to stay "on track". But if you cannot, and you think that making prostitution illegal is the way to accurately track and keep them safe - This approach HAS NOT and WILL NOT EVER work.
What does Right to privacy have to do with needing permission from licensed entity to buy something from another licensed entity? Regulations is needing to safeguard all those involved. Exceptions need to be made when necessary. Prostitution is one of the items that threads the needle, and needs exceptions.
Do you need permission to have sex with another individual? Why would it be different if it were arranged with payment?
Why do you think it needs to be "exceptions"? Because you don't like it? take offense?
Do you think anyone's sexual activities (non-prostitution) is subject to government scrutiny and exception from the Right to Privacy? Why should it be any different once anything of value is exchanged?
Legalization of prostitution doesn't equate to building a business around it. It simply means that individuals can have sex for monetary reasons (or anything of value) without fear of arrest prosecution. It already exists legally in the form of (some) marriages and arrangements between individuals. The reasons for those arrangements/marriages is none of the business of government.
If I go to my neighbors and help them fix up their house (I am not a contractor in construction or repair), do I need to be licensed and regulated?
Are those asian massage parlours? I think the person I originally talking to said asian massage parlours. Like the ones in Flushing.
I see those girls standing outside all the time soliciting business. It makes me so sad. They charge only a $1.
Some are staffed by Asians? Why must they be Asians???? Do you have something against non-Asians CMTs? I thought you were interested in a therapeutic massage. Yes... there are plenty of legit therapeutic massage services and chains in the NYC area... Flushing simply is a hotbed and its reputation impacts everyone else that make a living in therapeutic massage.
and no... They do not charge $1 for what you are implying.
The situation is sad... Many of the ones in that area are subject to criminal elements specifically due to the legal situation with prostitution. What you are witnessing isn't necessarily a sex work issue but rather a labor issue. I'm actually friends with a couple ladies that run a couple places in the NJ area... they do so specifically to avoid working in areas like Flushing. They are women that operate for women under their own choices. Both are actually CMT certified and operate very discreetly...
Quick question, would you be ok with a brothel in your neighborhood, say on your block?
Legalization of prostitution doesn't necessarily mean that a neighborhood looses control over the business aspect of sex work.
Strip clubs are zoned.
Bars are zoned.
You aren't allowed to sell alcohol on the street or consume in public.
etc..
Legalization of prostitution is like being able to consume alcohol without fear of arrest. It doesn't necessarily mean I can open up a Lemonade stand out front and sell Hard Lemonade legally.
The problem here is that they do not acknowledge - THE REASON THE RATES ARE HIGHER IN THE FIRST PLACE IS BECAUSE WITH LEGALIZATION MORE VICTIMS CAN COME FORWARD! Your "Rates" have not become higher - Your reported rates have become more statistically significant!
So your higher rates in countries with legalized prostitution means that you are actually able to see the TRUE rate prior to legalization where victims DID NOT come forward due to desiring to work in the industry - JUST NOT UNDER THE PIMP.
This is the problem with these types of analyses is it assumes that the youth whether underage or not actually WANTED to stay at home, go to school etc. It does not factor in what these kids ran away from in the first place, abusive families and sexual abuse IN THE HOME.
Legalization if anything makes it EASIER to detect human trafficking, because if you legalize prostitution the same way pornography is legalized you can then ensure AGE VERIFICATION checks are occurring and you enable victims to come forward to LAW ENFORCEMENT without fear of being locked up for engaging in illegal activity OR being forced potentially to go back to abusive family or living conditions as I mentioned above, you would not only need to legalize the trade but lower the age of consent to 16, which is the same age that emancipation and/or legal marriage is allowed in some U.S. states and other countries.
The vast majority of human trafficking victims especially those that are underage are vulnerable RUNAWAYS and we must start there. If you are willing to clothe, house and feed them and give them job training etc. you can convince them to stay "on track". But if you cannot, and you think that making prostitution illegal is the way to accurately track and keep them safe - This approach HAS NOT and WILL NOT EVER work.
What he said ^^....
Similarly in CA they stopped prosecuting minors engaging in prostitution. This allowed minors to seek the protections of law enforcement if they are indeed being threatened and human trafficked without fear of prosecution themselves. Fear of arrest was exactly the type of leverage used by pimps.
Does this mean minor prostitution is legalized in CA? NO! Johns/pimps and all those scum involved are still prosecuted under a variety of charges including statutory rape; which all carry very serious penalties.
Human Trafficking isn't a sex issue... it is a labor issue. We fail to address it because we as a society fail to acknowledge that. There are a variety of labor types (restaurants, nail salons, nanny services, house keeping , agricultural) that fall under Human Trafficking problem.... yet only that get trapped in sex work are considered criminals rather than victims.
Empower them to come forward.... as individuals victims rather than criminals.
Similarly in CA they stopped prosecuting minors engaging in prostitution. This allowed minors to seek the protections of law enforcement if they are indeed being threatened and human trafficked without fear of prosecution themselves. Fear of arrest was exactly the type of leverage used by pimps.
Does this mean minor prostitution is legalized in CA? NO! Johns/pimps and all those scum involved are still prosecuted under a variety of charges including statutory rape; which all carry very serious penalties.
Human Trafficking isn't a sex issue... it is a labor issue. We fail to address it because we as a society fail to acknowledge that. There are a variety of labor types (restaurants, nail salons, nanny services, house keeping , agricultural) that fall under Human Trafficking problem.... yet only that get trapped in sex work are considered criminals rather than victims.
Empower them to come forward.... as individuals victims rather than criminals.
Yes, plus another thing I forgot to mention is the abysmal state of the FOSTER CARE SYSTEM.
The foster care system is a terrible entity which needs to be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up. Many of these teens upon being "rescued" are then sent to atrocious living conditions in group homes with other predatory older kids, vermin and roach, bed bug infested conditions and not given adequate counseling, training or nutrition.
Is it ANY WONDER why the recidivism rate for them is extraordinarily high and they end up in Juvie later where they are subject to further abuse....This then colors their outlook on the world that ends up sabotaging any chance of them becoming a productive adult.
When it is the PIMP or MADAME - They only have to deal with him/her and the occasional abusive client. In the foster home or Juvie they have to contend and fight with multiple dysfunctional individuals on the regular basis, likely get no sleep and take hard drugs to stay sane in the environment. A lot will blame the PIMP for introducing the runaway to drugs when the reality is they are introduced to these drugs WHILE INCARCERATED or in these halfway houses and group homes!
The system is f****ed and the PIMP/MADAME is the lowest priority on the list in my opinion they are just a SYMPTOM of a deeper problem with how we handle kids trying to escape abuse. The PIMP is able to take advantage of the cracks in the system these kids fall through. Without those deficiencies the PIMP has nobody to work for them!!!
Most of these “new ideas” have been tried before, unsuccessfully. If the people supporting this did just a smidge of research they’d turn up that legalizing prostitution increases human trafficking.
And lol @ the idea that Nevada is anything to emulate. Vegas et al. is a fun tourist spot for many but a total disaster for people on the fringe, which is exactly what most women who turn to prostitution are. Y’all watch too much TV if you think selling your body is in any way “empowering”. Many of those Chinese women employed in “massage parlors” are either here against their will, working off debt from being smuggled over in a shipping container, or have no other choice since there are only so many jobs at the nail salon.
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