What's with NEPA and racism/bigotry issues?

[Slammin' Scrannin']

Originally Posted by go phillies

I don't think its the school's place to be discussing the issue of sex. I'm the parent, I will decide what morals to pass to my kids.

Thankfully, our educators, unlike an extreme minority of parents such as yourself (just 3% of parents statewide oppose all sex education), have a significantly more complete understanding of the issue. Sex involves more than mere morality. Sex education in schools is about educating teens about human sexuality from a biological (sexual anatomy) and health standpoint.

From the latter perspective, it's important for schools to teach children about how to prevent teenage pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, and that sort of thing. That means educating teens about contraceptives. If they did not, each of those measures would skyrocket. Your view would be a public policy disaster. You still have the right to opt your teen out of sex education classes, you know, for fear that they might see a boob or learn about whether coitus interruptus is all that effective.

Regardless, it remains your job to teach your children about the morality of sex precisely because the morality of sex plays no part in sex education. It would be like talking about the Bible in a science class (which probably doesn't strike the lot of you as that bad of an idea...). Sex education is health education and nothing more.

[NYRangers 2008]

Originally Posted by Love2Golf09

Umm, the first people that came to this country...pilgrims, puritans, quakers...they were all religious and were far more hardcore in their beliefs than the normal people of England. Are you going to claim that they left England as atheists, then a few years later had witch trials and burned people alive? Those people lived and breathed religion every second of their day. Even the founding fathers were pretty religious. Read a good book called "1776" and see how many times they thank God or owe their good fortunes to a "divine providence." Everything that happened was centered around God. They blamed the loss at the Battle of Brooklyn on being immoral and cursed by God. You're believing what you want to believe, while evidence paints a far different picture. We have the freedom of religion, not the freedom FROM religion. We're not an atheist society, as hurtful a notion as that may be to some people.

Excellent post. You pretty much summed up everything I have been saying. I guess some people want to revise history.

[CHS89]

Originally Posted by Love2Golf09

Umm, the first people that came to this country...pilgrims, puritans, quakers...they were all religious and were far more hardcore in their beliefs than the normal people of England. Are you going to claim that they left England as atheists, then a few years later had witch trials and burned people alive? Those people lived and breathed religion every second of their day. Even the founding fathers were pretty religious. Read a good book called "1776" and see how many times they thank God or owe their good fortunes to a "divine providence." Everything that happened was centered around God. They blamed the loss at the Battle of Brooklyn on being immoral and cursed by God. You're believing what you want to believe, while evidence paints a far different picture. We have the freedom of religion, not the freedom FROM religion. We're not an atheist society, as hurtful a notion as that may be to some people.

The Pilgrims did not come here to form a government. I never said at any point that the country was founded to discourage religion. I've said all along that religion was simply not the basis for it. It was not started as a Christian nation. It was never anyones intent to start one. It was formed as a democracy, with people's religious preferences--if they had preferences at all-- left to the people not the founders. The claim that the framers "just wanted everyone to believe in GOD in some way" is just flat out 100% wrong.

Using your argument, ballplayers thank God all the time. It in no way means that baseball was divinely inspired.

[NYRangers 2008]

Originally Posted by CHS89

The Pilgrims did not come here to form a government. I never said at any point that the country was founded to discourage religion. I've said all along that religion was simply not the basis for it. It was not started as a Christian nation. It was never anyones intent to start one. It was formed as a democracy, with people's religious preferences--if they had preferences at all-- left to the people not the founders. The claim that the framers "just wanted everyone to believe in GOD in some way" is just flat out 100% wrong.

Using your argument, ballplayers thank God all the time. It in no way means that baseball was divinely inspired.

You never know, maybe it was. There are the the "Angels of Anaheim".

[Jungle George]

Originally Posted by NYRangers 2008

You never know, maybe it was. There are the the "Angels of Anaheim".

"Holy Home Run Batman!!!"

[Gerania]

"If they do, that's the parents' fault; not television."

Ha ha ha ha ha! That's a joke, right?

Originally Posted by Slammin' Scrannin'

I doubt there is a correlation between media depictions of sex and how often kids engage in sex.

Moreover, the same parents who seem seriously concerned enough about the consequences of sex to want to ban all depictions of sex in the media-- these same parents are typically against sex education for their children that is proven to reduce teenage pregnancies and transmission of stds. Instead they support ridiculous things like "abstinence only" education, which is proven to increase those things. Not all of them are in the same boat, though, so it would be unfair to lump all parents there. Just a side note.



If they do, that's the parents' fault; not television.

It's been a while since I've been in school, but I remember hearing a lot worse on the playground than what they allow on television today. Kids can be brutal to each other. The fact is that no matter the source of where kids hear profanity, they need to be taught never to use it against their family or members of the community and so forth. It's up to parents to teach their kids how to treat other people-- first and foremost. I don't blame television or that foul-mouthed little Billy Zigler (names changed to protect the "innocent") or anyone else.

[Gerania]

If you don't like this reference, Google another.

Founding Fathers on Religion (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:wvYF_el1DfYJ:antiwarrepublicans.com/foundingfathers.aspx+founding+fathers+and+religion &cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a - broken link)

Originally Posted by Love2Golf09

Umm, the first people that came to this country...pilgrims, puritans, quakers...they were all religious and were far more hardcore in their beliefs than the normal people of England. Are you going to claim that they left England as atheists, then a few years later had witch trials and burned people alive? Those people lived and breathed religion every second of their day. Even the founding fathers were pretty religious. Read a good book called "1776" and see how many times they thank God or owe their good fortunes to a "divine providence." Everything that happened was centered around God. They blamed the loss at the Battle of Brooklyn on being immoral and cursed by God. You're believing what you want to believe, while evidence paints a far different picture. We have the freedom of religion, not the freedom FROM religion. We're not an atheist society, as hurtful a notion as that may be to some people.