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Old 11-27-2011, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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Asking strangers for money for doing nothing so they can do something fun is not the lesson I'd choose to teach my children. I have no problem with fundraising - I've done plenty of it over the years. People are usually willing to pay someone to do some work so they can earn that trip. If one is able bodied, one should be able to do something. Soliciting donations for others less fortunate (as in St. Judes, The Salvation Army etc) is not panhandling (to me - maybe to someone else it is) because the people asking are not the ones recieving the benefit.
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Old 11-27-2011, 08:25 PM
 
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But, for the record, IKB is also saying that one student, due to circumstances beyond her control, needed donations to fund her trip. That would be a worthy cause in my book. An entire team thinking they can pay for a trip by holding up a jar is short-sighted and lazy.
I honestly missed the "one student needing donations" part of IKB's post.

It just went right over my head. I'm not entirely heartless and I should have read her posts more carefully. I was responding more to the general question posted by the OP.

(That's what happens when I watch football and read these posts. Dangerous combination.) Yes. A situation like that, I'd help out. Absolutely. Be happy to.

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Old 11-27-2011, 08:34 PM
 
Location: here
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I honestly missed the "one student needing donations" part of IKB's post.

It just went right over my head. I'm not entirely heartless and I should have read her posts more carefully. I was responding more to the general question posted by the OP.

(That's what happens when I watch football and read these posts. Dangerous combination.) Yes. A situation like that, I'd help out. Absolutely. Be happy to.
same here. I've only been responding about the OP and situations in general.
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Old 11-27-2011, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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Really, I am aware of that, as I donate quite often to people I don't know and will never see. Teaching kids that it is ok to panhandle for a non-necessity, is wrong IMO.
I agree with this. I donate to several different charities without expecting something in return. That doesn't mean it's ok for pre-teens to stand outside a store begging for money for a non-essential event instead of doing an actual fundraiser.
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Old 11-28-2011, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Central, NJ
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Two different things, yes. But I think the girls are involved in a good, healthy activity and I would be happy to support them. Without expecting anything in return.

It's ok to do things for others without expecting anything in return. Really.
Not sure shaking a can for themselves gets that message across to "the girls" so hopefully they learn it some other way.

A group of HS boys were outside my supermarket recently with a donation can. No, they weren't looking to have me fund their trip for all their hard work, they were raising money for the local food bank. With so many people unemployed or underemployed, with donations to charities down because there are fewer dollars to give I find it even more appalling that kids are panhandling for their own trips.
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Old 11-28-2011, 06:44 AM
 
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The level of bitterness and nastiness on this thread is horrendous. If you don't want to donate money, DO N'T. But there is not a damned thing wrong with cheerleaders asking for donations to send them to a national championship spot that they earned.

I'm so absolutely disgusted with the holier than thou attitudes here. By parents, no less. The kids are involved in a good, healthy activity but that still isn't good enough. If you think the act of asking for donations erases all your other child-rearing, maybe you are doing something wrong.
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:00 AM
 
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Bitterness and nastiness? Where? It is not holier than thou to want our kids to understand that there is no free ride in life. That the world doesn't owe you anything because you are a good cheerleader.

You are entitled to give your money to whomever strikes your fancy. The rest of us see the value in having kids work for our dollars.
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:19 AM
 
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Do you expect something in return for every dime you give?
No-but I don't give money to panhandlers and I don't think it is right to teach kids to be panhandlers.
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:25 AM
 
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Bitterness and nastiness? Where? It is not holier than thou to want our kids to understand that there is no free ride in life. That the world doesn't owe you anything because you are a good cheerleader.

You are entitled to give your money to whomever strikes your fancy. The rest of us see the value in having kids work for our dollars.
Again, if you think asking for donations is going to instill a lazy attitude towards life, something else is sorely lacking elsewhere in the parenting department.
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:25 AM
 
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The level of bitterness and nastiness on this thread is horrendous. If you don't want to donate money, DO N'T. But there is not a damned thing wrong with cheerleaders asking for donations to send them to a national championship spot that they earned.

I'm so absolutely disgusted with the holier than thou attitudes here. By parents, no less. The kids are involved in a good, healthy activity but that still isn't good enough. If you think the act of asking for donations erases all your other child-rearing, maybe you are doing something wrong.
Nobody is giving you a holier than thou attitude. Just because someone disagrees with you that does not mean they have a holier than thou attitude.

Can you tell me why its ok for kids to beg for money without doing anything else in return for the donations?

Can you tell me what is wrong with expecting kids to DO SOMETHING in return for money they ask for from others?

Nobody here is saying that fundraising is wrong.
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