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Old 05-17-2012, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Greater NYC
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Old 05-17-2012, 03:36 PM
 
Location: here
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Hmmm...I wonder how you feel about the group of Kindergarteners in my neighborhood who walk home from school together (and ALONE) every afternoon.
That doesn't happen here. The school doesn't let the little ones leave until they see mom or dad.
 
Old 05-17-2012, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Austin
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So why post looking for opinions ?!?!?!?!?!?!?

You obviously have your mind made up so what is the point of this thread?????
OMG ! Exactly. She wants support for a heinous idea. That is all.

Why must some "parents" intentionally take any risks with their children that are not needed and potentially dangerous?

And the others who are actually in support of this lunacy will most likely experience firsthand the problems of this lovely plan when their children are lost, beaten up, scared to death, kidnapped, bitten by something, etc. Or let's just say none of the above happens. What about the possibility that these kids might just need their parent? Creating yet more absences in a child's life is the opposite of what they need.
Independence can absolutely be a focal point, but at 8, they are still formative and need the safety and assurance a parent will provide.

Not quite as speechless now, but still appalled.
 
Old 05-17-2012, 03:40 PM
 
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My childhood was in Brooklyn, my son's is in Beverly Hills. In BOTH cases I would never let kids at age 8 out to do anything by themselves or with their friends.
Beverly Hills, CA?

And you didn't let them play in a gang? Some great place like Coldwater Canyon park? Dang, the au pairs alone would have out-numbered them.
 
Old 05-17-2012, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I appreciate your concerns, really I do. But at what point do we start teaching them independence then? I guess 8 to me isn't super young, my daughter already rides her bike in the neighborhood with her friends alone within a block of the house. My kids are in private school or they would walk to school with the rest of the kids in the neighborhood.

I'm not going to sit on my child until she's old enough to drive and then send her out into the world. I think its a gradual process.
You are operating on a pendulum here. Wean your children onto independence. But assuming everything is peachy and hazard-free in our society today is going to get you and your child in a potential world of hurt.
It really almost sounds as if you are trying to pawn your child off so you don't HAVE TO parent her.
Why not give her the assurance and comfort of your presence while you can? Why force her to grow up before she needs to? Why even introduce the possibility of trouble?
 
Old 05-17-2012, 03:44 PM
 
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That is the parent's fault for a lack of parenting.
Every child born in life will take the easy way if you let them. You have to help direct them in life.
Granted children today are indoctrinated in school with the philosophy in socialism and when they graduate they are left to overcome that unless you get strong parents who remember to let them know the realities of life early.

There is no free ride.

You have to work for 45 years or more in real life.

No work is beneath people and you should have respect for all work.

Live within you means about three levels below your ability to earn so you can save and have money for emergencies.

Respect other people.

Go to school and sit down, behave, participate, listen, do the work then come home to do your homework and study. (because education is really done at home)

Those are my immediate ideas on the subject.
Right, and part of all this is learning independence and how to deal with situations without your parents from a young age.

And your idea is to not let them go to a park alone until they're 12???

OMG, that would have driven me absolutely stark raving bonkers when I was a kid.
 
Old 05-17-2012, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Austin
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one more thing to Moderator cut: add to this-

Girls are kidnapped and trafficked daily. Think it only happens in HBO movies and to "other" kids? This is a huge problem and it is in every town, big or small.
Hundreds of kids are taken and sold in a given year.

Again, why even allow the possibility that your precious CHILD can be placed into this environment? And yes, very young kids are used in that manner. So 8 is still way too young.

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Old 05-17-2012, 03:46 PM
 
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It really almost sounds as if you are trying to pawn your child off so you don't HAVE TO parent her.
Ok now that's just not fair. I'm an uber involved stay at home mom who is talking about ONE hour on ONE day. Saying I'm pawning off my kid is just being mean. I think its fine to disagree but you don't know me, I'm more involved with my kids than the vast majority of parents.
 
Old 05-17-2012, 03:46 PM
 
Location: here
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Your child is way too young, and if you honestly meant this post as a valid consideration, I am beyond shocked. Almost speechless.
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Insane! Do that and you should be arrested. If they would be too young to stay at home alone, they are most certaily too young for everything outside the home without adult supervison.

Forget the new age crap!
People abuse children in some horrible ways all over the world every day, and THIS has you so concerned?

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Old 05-17-2012, 03:47 PM
 
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OMG ! Exactly. She wants support for a heinous idea. That is all.

Why must some "parents" intentionally take any risks with their children that are not needed and potentially dangerous?

And the others who are actually in support of this lunacy will most likely experience firsthand the problems of this lovely plan when their children are lost, beaten up, scared to death, kidnapped, bitten by something, etc. Or let's just say none of the above happens. What about the possibility that these kids might just need their parent? Creating yet more absences in a child's life is the opposite of what they need.
Independence can absolutely be a focal point, but at 8, they are still formative and need the safety and assurance a parent will provide.

Not quite as speechless now, but still appalled.
Um, I'm pretty sure the park is within walking distance of the OP's house. The child is not going to Antarctica for the weekend.

If she needs a parent, she can go home.
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