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Old 09-24-2012, 07:29 PM
 
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How do you reconcile those two posts then? You would demand a child live a lie? It would be kinder to disown them.
This.

90sman, clarify your gray area.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:38 PM
 
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This was an illuminating feature about a 10 year old, transgendered child living in Boulder, CO. It brought tears to my eyes and has stuck with me.

full version: http://www.bouldersafeschools.org/PDFs/article_5280.pdf

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Old 09-24-2012, 07:57 PM
 
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What if it were a black child who didn't want to be his own race and wished to become white? Or a white child that wanted to be black or Asian because he didn't accept his own race? Would everyone be just as accepting of a trans-racial child?
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:00 PM
 
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Judging a book by it's cover is never wise. All humans have an Adam's Apple, it's just that men usually have larger ones, but women can have large Adam's Apples too.
It was then known that this person was going through reassignment / hormonal stuff.
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:04 PM
 
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How do you reconcile those two posts then? You would demand a child live a lie? It would be kinder to disown them.
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This.

90sman, clarify your gray area.
Like I said in another post, just because a parent doesn't approve or accept something their child does doesn't mean they disown them.

Do you approve of everything everyone does? I doubt it, but I also doubt that means you disown them.

I think transgenderism is a very strange thing as do most other people.


That's the way I feel about this. I answered the OP's questions and if you don't like it then that is just too bad. Boo-hoo.
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:13 PM
 
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Like I said in another post, just because a parent doesn't approve or accept something their child does doesn't mean they disown them.

Do you approve of everything everyone does? I doubt it, but I also doubt that means you disown them.


That's the way I feel about this. I answered the OP's questions and if you don't like then that is just too bad. Boo-hoo.
Still confused but thanks for trying.

If you don't "accept it" but you don't disown them what does that look like? Do you just refuse to use the alternate preposition (he vs. she) and call them by their given name even though that's not their legal name anymore?
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:14 PM
 
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Like I said in another post, just because a parent doesn't approve or accept something their child does doesn't mean they disown them.

Do you approve of everything everyone does? I doubt it, but I also doubt that means you disown them.

I think transgenderism is a very strange thing as do most other people.


That's the way I feel about this. I answered the OP's questions and if you don't like it then that is just too bad. Boo-hoo.
Exactly. Parents do not have to accept their child's views on subjects such as these, but they do have to respect them. To disrespect them would be an act of dis-ownership.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:23 PM
 
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What if it were a black child who didn't want to be his own race and wished to become white? Or a white child that wanted to be black or Asian because he didn't accept his own race? Would everyone be just as accepting of a trans-racial child?
You know...there are actually "transethic" people and no, I don't see it the same way. Here's why...

For one, transethic is something new and very closely tied to certain internet subcultures. You find transethics alongside otherkin, fiction kin, transfat, fake multiples, and other 'kintypes'. They were created by the internet and are sustained by the internet (as opposed to trans* individuals, who have been recorded across history and cultures). Such people occur in very distinct clusters- tumbler is the first one that springs to mind.

So if I had a child claiming to be transethic, I would first be checking what websites they've been visiting because there is a very, very high likelihood that's where they got it from. I'd also be very surprised if my child were black and claiming to be transethic white, since almost all transethics are cis white individuals.

But let's say for the sake of discussion that I didn't know about this internet subculture, as I assume you didn't. I still wouldn't view it the same. Transgendered individuals don't just *feel* different....they *are* different in many cases. Trans* individuals appear to have differences in the structure of the brain and differences genetically in the androgen receptors, which control secondary sex characteristics.

Gender is a complex interaction between biology, genetics, culture, and emotion. Genetically and biologically speaking, you can't be transethic. You may culturally feel that your race is not accepted and may wish you were a different race, but outside of cis white people crying oppression on tumbler, there is no subset of people claiming to actually feel that they are a different race. Wishing you were so you don't have to deal with social baggage isn't the same thing at all

So yes, I would react differently to child claiming something known to be part of a flashpan internet subculture than I would a child claiming something known to have biological underpinnings and that has a long history as part of the human condition. Just as I would react differently to a child with PTSD and a child who claims to have a natural multiple head system with fiction kin headmates (don't ask...this particular rabbit hole goes all the way down.) Point being that I would encourage you to do actual research into transgender issues so that you understand why the question is insulting and what the difference is between *wanting* to be another gender and feeling that you already *are*
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:39 PM
 
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Anyone notice the OP is not only new to CD but hasn't posted any responses? Are you the child in the "situation", trolling, or asking a sincere question?

My opinion is nobody would subject themselves to this kind of controversy if they weren't really transgender. I am very empathetic towards "different people" and I think if I knew a transgender person in real life, I would accept them for who they are.

With that said, I don't know how I would react if my daughter told me she was transgender. My girl isn't even 2 yet so she barely speaks but if she told me this in the future, I think I would be upset and disappointed. As a parent, I think we have certain expectations of how are kids are going to turn out or how we want them to turn out so if they aren't going that path, we probably have a hard time accepting the facts.

Eventually, I think I'd get over it. I can't imagine disowning her or not loving her ... ever. I love her unconditionally and it would be me who would have to change my mindset.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:00 AM
 
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I am curious about the issue of parents with transgender children. Especially parents that are used to traditional gender roles. As a parent, how would you react to your son, who is in his early 20's, wanting to act on his transgender desires? Would it be accepted by you or would you disown him?
I'm not going to be politically correct. I would totally disown them. That is way beyond anything I know of.

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