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Serious question here. For those in support of transgenderism and maintain that the line is drawn at consent and harming another creature (as in cases of pedophilia and beastiality)...what about incest? What if your adult daughter and son decided they wanted to marry one other? Even going so far as opting to not have children or adopt to prevent any possible birth defects associated with interbreeding.
Serious question here. For those in support of transgenderism and maintain that the line is drawn at consent and harming another creature (as in cases of pedophilia and beastiality)...what about incest? What if your adult daughter and son decided they wanted to marry one other? Even going so far as opting to not have children or adopt to prevent any possible birth defects associated with interbreeding.
You are confusing identity and actions. A person DOES certain sex acts. But a person's orientation or disposition is a matter of who they ARE, their very identity. While I could not reject my child based on their identity, I have no problem with disagreeing with their actions. Stealing, hurting, killing are ACTIONS I would vehemently disagree with. BEING is not something I can disagree with.
You are confusing identity and actions. A person DOES certain sex acts. But a person's orientation or disposition is a matter of who they ARE, their very identity. While I could not reject my child based on their identity, I have no problem with disagreeing with their actions. Stealing, hurting, killing are ACTIONS I would vehemently disagree with. BEING is not something I can disagree with.
No, I dont believe I'm confused at all. Actions usually validate the "being" so to speak, otherwise this entire conversation would be null and void. If I "feel" transgendered but I never "do" things that transgendered people do then what difference does it make? The same logic applies if I were homosexual but chose to remain celibate. Perhaps this question isn't for you, but for those who feel that any type of "identity" or "behavior" is okay as long it doesn't harm another being.
I certinaly would not have a coming out party for them or anything like that.
Probably just the same as if I discovered my child had a severe phobia and could never go outside, or could not wear shoes, or whatever. I would be sad for them but probably never let it show. Just live with it, see if there is anything that can be done about it. If not, help them get through it in whatever way I can.
It means (as originally stated)...for the purpose of this conversation...if I feel that I am transgendered (as you defined as a form of "being" or identity instead of an "action") BUT nothing about my actions reflect that then how is it relevant to the discussion? Why would a parent feel the need to disown me based on an "identity" that I'm not "acting" on?
Obviously one individual's gender-identity is not comparable to an incestuous relationship.
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Actions usually validate the "being" so to speak, otherwise this entire conversation would be null and void. If I "feel" transgendered but I never "do" things that transgendered people do then what difference does it make?
The same way a homsexual man can marry a woman, have kids, yet still be gay... A trans-gendered person could be forced to act/present in gender-normative ways yet still be trans-gendered.
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The same logic applies if I were homosexual but chose to remain celibate. Perhaps this question isn't for you, but for those who feel that any type of "identity" or "behavior" is okay as long it doesn't harm another being.
A homosexual who chooses to remain celibate is not suddenly heterosexual. They are homosexual, they just choose not to have sex.
That being said....many transgendered people were sexually abused as children.
Mine wouldn't have been.
So, because you know for a fact, which I don't see how you could unless they are attached to you 24/7 from birth to 18, they were not sexually abused it be easier for you to accept? Nothing happened to them sexually so I will not question it? Had you found out they were sexually abused would it be harder for you to accept?
It means (as originally stated)...for the purpose of this conversation...if I feel that I am transgendered (as you defined as a form of "being" or identity instead of an "action") BUT nothing about my actions reflect that then how is it relevant to the discussion? Why would a parent feel the need to disown me based on an "identity" that I'm not "acting" on?
Why would one not act upon or within their nature, their identity? How could a parent lovingly accept them? On the other hand, one does not hear that a person is beastialicious. I don't see that action as fundamental to the nature or identity of a person. A person would not identify themselves as stealered if they tended to steal. Those actions are based on choice. One can choose not to have sex with animals without being contrary to their nature or identity. One can choose not to steal without being contrary to their nature or identity.
Obviously one individual's gender-identity is not comparable to an incestuous relationship.
No, apparently you are confused and have not read through this thread. Someone else made the comparison between gender-identity to pedophilia and bestiality. In which the person responded that they drew the line at the ability to consent and harming another creature.
Therefore, I am asking where incestuous relationships between two consenting adults fall in? It may be off topic but it's still a valid question whether you have an answer or not.
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The same way a homsexual man can marry a woman, have kids, yet still be gay... A trans-gendered person could be forced to act/present in gender-normative ways yet still be trans-gendered.
A homosexual who chooses to remain celibate is not suddenly heterosexual. They are homosexual, they just choose not to have sex.
You don't say!
I'm aware of this way of thinking (though I cant say I necessarily agree) but that was directed towards the poster who wanted to separate being and actions.
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