SMF 202 lawsuit praise (Phoenix, Scottsdale, Chandler: purchase, quality of life, live)

[elcajones]

Do liberals not have to commute than asufan???? I'm not taking a shot at your comment but, this opposition is just unfathomable to me still.......

Those saying that it will mostly be truck truck route are only half right. Trucks will use it to bypass Phoenix for sure but, it will also open up an oppurtunity for those in the SE valley to commute to west side. Also, with Chandler being a place with a lot of jobs it will also open up the possibility of people being able to commute to Chandler from the West side. the 10 as it stands now is terribly congested during the rushes and always quite conjested most of the day (albeit usually moving, but I have hit noontime traffic more than once.)

[Zippyman]

Originally Posted by observer53

With the reservation boundary not far to the south, and South Mountain Park to the north, there's really not room for much "enlargement".

anything that makes it easier to get to the city from the south encourages growth in the south - even it's Casa Grande.

// don't have a dog in this race, except I think if we're gonna build any freeways here they need 10+ lanes, each way -by default. The whole "build a three-lane road, then tear it up for a couple years & spend another billion bucks to add a fourth lane, only to tear it up and spend another billion bucks after five more years" thing is pretty silly.

Ten lanes, each way, every time.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by DougStark

Cheers and support for those that have contributed to this lawsuit to stop this freeway from ruining Ahwatukee.

I hope you have read the replies to the thread you started because almost all of the responses are not in your favor. The South Mountain Freeway has been on the books since the mid 1980s, and it has needlessly been delayed thanks mostly to pathetic NIMBYs like you. ADOT shares some blame for the delay as well because the freeway was scrapped shortly after their budget boondoggle in the early 1990s ... however, the Ahwatukee Foothills residents who keep fighting it need to give it up and get over it. You're accomplishing nothing except wasting time and taxpayer money.

The freeway is not going to ruin Ahwatukee. If anything, it will help improve traffic flow in & around Ahwautkee, including I10 where all the traffic heads into downtown Phoenix & the west Valley, creating a traffic nightmare. The South Mountain leg of the 202 is a bypass route, and that's what its intention was in the first place. If you happen to live in the freeway's path or close by, too bad. You should have known this was on the books before you moved there.

Get a life, NIMBY! Most of all, if you're against freeways and other things which you believe will ruin your area, maybe it's time that you moved to a small town or a remote area where you won't have to worry about progress getting in your way. I'm fed up with your types who choose to live in a large metro area like this and oppose practically everything that involves progress/development.

[elcajones]

Originally Posted by Zippyman

anything that makes it easier to get to the city from the south encourages growth in the south - even it's Casa Grande.

// don't have a dog in this race, except I think if we're gonna build any freeways here they need 10+ lanes, each way -by default. The whole "build a three-lane road, then tear it up for a couple years & spend another billion bucks to add a fourth lane, only to tear it up and spend another billion bucks after five more years" thing is pretty silly.

Ten lanes, each way, every time.

I agree it's stupid how they underbuild, than a few years later they are tearing up a new highway for a multi-year expansion project. Makes little sense.
Perhaps it will encourage growth in the south, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

[pbenjamin]

Originally Posted by observer53

With the reservation boundary not far to the south, and South Mountain Park to the north, there's really not room for much "enlargement".

I was referring to the metropolitan area, not the city. What happens here is that the fringes on the west and southeast will grow because it will be easier to get back and forth. Someone who works in Chandler might be reluctant today to buy a home in Buckeye today, but with the freeway built they could be more apt to do it.

[asufan]

Originally Posted by pbenjamin

I was referring to the metropolitan area, not the city. What happens here is that the fringes on the west and southeast will grow because it will be easier to get back and forth. Someone who works in Chandler might be reluctant today to buy a home in Buckeye today, but with the freeway built they could be more apt to do it.

Oh the horror, stop the freeway then LOL. Buckeye already exists. If anything it will spur growth and raise property value in Laveen, which is kind of an infill area based on the fact that development has hopscotched around it. I don't see this making the far flung suburbs growing, as an employee in Chandler would then need to get on the I-10 parking lot at 59th Ave and go all the way to Buckeye?? Nah

[pbenjamin]

Originally Posted by asufan

liberals like pbenjamin are just inherently against freeways because it has been drummed into their heads that freeways = sprawl (and I'm not a conservative either). This is absolutely a Phoenix bypass route for truckers and will really be nice to un-clutter the East side I-10 from a certain percentage of the big rigs that are either going to the DC's in the West Valley or continuing West on I-10.

If the only purpose was to route trucks around metropolitan Phoenix it could be done much more cheaply than this at a more remote location.

[asufan]

Originally Posted by pbenjamin

If the only purpose was to route trucks around metropolitan Phoenix it could be done much more cheaply than this at a more remote location.

I guess you should be running ADOT then

[sargeant79]

So there appears to be 16 unique posters on this thread...

I'm well aware of sample size issues here. But based purely on my personal and unscientific interpretation of the posts, 12 people appear to be very much in favor of the freeway, 2 seem to be opposed (including the OP), and 2 don't really seem to care one way or the other. So my question is, do the folks posting here think that the 75% strongly in favor rate is representative of the valley as a whole? And if so, how do those of you opposed to the freeway answer to the fact that the vast majority of people in the area seem to think it is needed?

[asufan]

Originally Posted by sargeant79

So there appears to be 16 unique posters on this thread...

I'm well aware of sample size issues here. But based purely on my personal and unscientific interpretation of the posts, 12 people appear to be very much in favor of the freeway, 2 seem to be opposed (including the OP), and 2 don't really seem to care one way or the other. So my question is, do the folks posting here think that the 75% strongly in favor rate is representative of the valley as a whole? And if so, how do those of you opposed to the freeway answer to the fact that the vast majority of people in the area seem to think it is needed?

That's the thing with NIMBY's, they only care about themselves by definition.