05-22-2015, 08:25 AM
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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This highway is so overdue that its becoming laughable at this point. Now these NIMBY turds are starting to anger everyone. I hope youre all happy! Sooner or later we will get the last laugh when it gets approved.
05-22-2015, 08:28 AM
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Originally Posted by
DougStark
You cite precisely why so many of us don't want this freeway- it will become a truck bypass (noisy, heavy, dangerous, filth-spewing diesel trucks.) Sorry, gang. The fight ain't over...
Most of these trucks run cleaner than your car. I highly suggest you drop your ignorance on the matter and educate yourself. Trucks arent the soot-spewing monsters they once were. With all the DPF and EGR and SCR systems on these trucks, you can literally run your fingers inside the exhaust stacks and not get any soot on you. And another thing, these trucks are also quieter than they've ever been. You know NOTHING about the industry apparently, yet are quick to assume. Typical NIMBY nonsense.
05-22-2015, 09:20 AM
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The obvious solution is to build the freeway in the NIMBY's front yards. Everyone wins.
05-22-2015, 09:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
DougStark
You cite precisely why so many of us don't want this freeway- it will become a truck bypass (noisy, heavy, dangerous, filth-spewing diesel trucks.) Sorry, gang. The fight ain't over...
The freeway will be a bypass for many, not just for trucks. ADOT hasn't once billed the freeway as a truck bypass. The anti-freeway crowd has labeled this proposed freeway a truck route and people have run crazy with that idea. The signed "truck bypass" for Phoenix will continue to be on the I-8 to Highway 85. Will trucks use the South Mountain 202 to get to the warehouses that line Van Buren in west Phoenix? Probably. But to act like the 202 is going to be equivalent to the 710 Freeway near the Port of Long Beach, which is filled with trucks day and night, is incorrect.
It's funny how noise, heavy, dangerous, filth-spewing diesel trucks are fine going through other parts of the Valley, but Ahwatukee is somehow off-limits. If these trucks are so dirty and dangerous, shouldn't we be concerned about all areas that they traverse, not just little ole' Tuckee?
05-22-2015, 11:43 AM
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Pretty much.
05-22-2015, 03:49 PM
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
DougStark
You cite precisely why so many of us don't want this freeway- it will become a truck bypass (noisy, heavy, dangerous, filth-spewing diesel trucks.) Sorry, gang. The fight ain't over...
Is that your sole purpose in life ... fighting progress, involving yourself in frivolous lawsuits, and being a troublemaker? Go 'way, NIMBY, go 'way!
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Finger Laker
Sorry tukee, you aren't all special flowers.......
Some (if not most) of the protest against the freeway is over the proposal to cut into a tiny portion of South Mountain. Ahwautkee Foothills residents somehow think South Mountain is sacred, and every rock & living creature must be spared from human touch. Well, too bad. The freeway has been in the planning stages since the mid 1980s, and has needlessly been delayed by these pathetic NIMBYs. It has been approved by the voters TWICE, and it is long past due for it to be built. As much as these NIMBYs fight tooth & nail to stop practically everything, they can distance themselves from civilization and live in isolation for all I care!
05-24-2015, 07:03 AM
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Originally Posted by
BIG CATS
Most of these trucks run cleaner than your car. I highly suggest you drop your ignorance on the matter and educate yourself. Trucks arent the soot-spewing monsters they once were. With all the DPF and EGR and SCR systems on these trucks, you can literally run your fingers inside the exhaust stacks and not get any soot on you. And another thing, these trucks are also quieter than they've ever been. You know NOTHING about the industry apparently, yet are quick to assume. Typical NIMBY nonsense.
You're awful quick to claim my ignorance on the matter, but you don't know anything about me or my technical knowledge.
What makes you think all the trucks driving through will be newer model engines from the USA? Mexican trucks are notoriously filthy polluters not to mention dangerous.
If they want a truck by-pass, let them route it on I-8 west, then north on 85 past Gila Bend, then west on I-10 to Los Angeles.
05-24-2015, 07:33 AM
Location: Metro Phoenix, AZ USA
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DougStark
You're awful quick to claim my ignorance on the matter, but you don't know anything about me or my technical knowledge.
That's not the sole purpose of that road. And, they already have that bypass, which does not take the traffic off the road (trucks AND cars) that is headed for west Phoenix.
So it's OK to have that pollution you are so concerned about creeping through Phoenix. You just don't want those vehicles going by at highway speed the neighborhood you knew that road was coming to when you moved in. We get it.
05-24-2015, 11:53 AM
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DougStark
You're awful quick to claim my ignorance on the matter, but you don't know anything about me or my technical knowledge.
The 8/85 route will remain the designated Phoenix truck bypass. You're calling others out on their supposed lack of technical knowledge when you are stating things that are false. If you look at the Final Environmental Impact Statement for the freeway on ADOT's website, you will see that this is not a truck bypass. The purpose and need of this freeway is not to create a dedicated route for trucks. As of now, there's nothing that prohibits these notoriously "filthy" polluters from using Phoenix area freeways. As far as you know, these trucks could be skirting Ahwatukee on the east side using the I-10 now. I fail to see how another freeway skirting Ahwatukee on the south side is going to be the tipping point that makes Ahwatukee unlivable. Lastly, these trucks have to go through an inspection station when they cross the border. It's not like they're allowed across customs just spewing out endless exhaust.
05-24-2015, 01:59 PM
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Where I came from back east, there were NIMBYs like the OP everywhere. Nothing on the scale of the 202 SMF would ever get built because it would get tied up in litigation for years. They've been fighting a one lane addition to a 50 year old highway that needs to be rebuilt anyways for almost ten years - one freaking lane! It's refreshing to see the vast majority of people do not fight progress. As one who lives in Goodyear, it's a PITA to have to take the 10 through downtown just to get to Chandler. Likewise, it will make it much easier for those who live in the East Valley to get to the West. I personally can't wait for it to be finished.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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