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Haha, pittsflyer, that's ridiculous and a classic liberal response to the homeless problem: "why we can just tax our way out of it".
Raising minimum wage will just exacerbate inflation, eliminate many lower paying jobs, and worsen homelessness.
What's needed are better jobs and better policies, so that productivity increases can lead to true wealth creation for those that are homeless and able to work.
Otherwise many homeless in SF are also drug abusers and homeless for that reason, so Valley Native does have a point. When you incentivize drug abuse as SF does, with needle exchange and active decriminalization of all petty crimes, then you end up with a huge mess on your hands.
Easy solution for Phoenix homeless problem: ship to SF on busses. SF has the money, and apparently, the proper progressive policies to fix all known problems, so let's help these folks get to the best location for help.
There, I think I solved AZ homeless problem, and provided Gavin Newsom with more indentured voters.
So the question is are the people homeless because they are drug users or are they drug users because they became homeless?
How do you pass down productivity increases when the entire heart of capitalism is for the capitalist to keep the excess value as profits and pay labor as little as they can get away with?
IF you don't decriminalize petty crimes then how do you deal with all these people, mass construction of prisons? Do these people go to hardcore penitentiaries and how do you avoid gross human rights violations and constitutional violations?
No, out of control living costs and wage stagnation ACROSS THE COUNTRY is leading to rampant homelessness EVERYWHERE. San Fran no longer has a monopoly on this and the reasons for the homelessness have nothing to do with hippies of the 60's. I bet you that none (or very few) of the homeless in san fran today would tell you that they came there because they heard it was a hippie mecca.
If I was clear that I was going to become homeless I would fly to san deigo not san fran.
The people that fight meaningful min wage increases and support housing bubbles are the ones directly responsible for 80% of homelessness and near homelessness (some homeless will always be there becuase they want to be and want to drink and do drugs even if there are viable alternatives). But most people dont want to be homeless there just arent viable alternatives (they are looking at getting servile low wage jobs that wont get them out of homelessness (which some may work to buy better tents or for those living out of a car to pad their investment account so they can travel without needing to pan handle.
Do any conservative politicians even exist in San Fran? I would say no, which would dispel this myth you are trying to make reality. San Fran is a mecca for liberal and leftist policy. If your theory holds water, shouldn't they have been able to solve this problem by now?
So the question is are the people homeless because they are drug users or are they drug users because they became homeless?
How do you pass down productivity increases when the entire heart of capitalism is for the capitalist to keep the excess value as profits and pay labor as little as they can get away with?
IF you don't decriminalize petty crimes then how do you deal with all these people, mass construction of prisons? Do these people go to hardcore penitentiaries and how do you avoid gross human rights violations and constitutional violations?
Drug addiction plays a huge part in why many ended up on the streets. Many become homeless as a direct result of addiction. It's not the other way around. The same employment. It's the drugs/drink which usually causes the loss of a job or why a job can't be held down.
Unfortunately, city services often enable rather than help the addict/alcoholic. Homeless Inc. is big business in SF.
As far as decriminalizing pretty crimes Prop 47 passed in Cal. and I believe theft under $950 is now considered a misdemeanor.
This has resulted in a spike in car break ins, shoplifting and and door package theft throughout the city.
S.F. is awash in tech dollars. Yet, nothing changes. Or at least not for the better.
Here in Mesa my wife and I sometimes go for a walk on a path in a rec area next to Red Mountain high school.
It was a complete shock to find the toilets in the public bathroom not only working but there was toilet paper was well.
The park walk trail is clean. The basketball courts are also clean and the hoops actually have nets. In addition there are benches for eating and barbecue pits which families can enjoy
This is Mesa which has a fraction of the money San Francisco has yet the city of Mesa can still keep this park/rec area open and clean.
With regards to S.F. Imo, there's not a city in the country the size of S.F. which has as much money that is so completely mismanaged.
Unless, you've spent time there you really can't grasp how dysfunctional the city actually is or operates.
So the question is are the people homeless because they are drug users or are they drug users because they became homeless?
How do you pass down productivity increases when the entire heart of capitalism is for the capitalist to keep the excess value as profits and pay labor as little as they can get away with?
IF you don't decriminalize petty crimes then how do you deal with all these people, mass construction of prisons? Do these people go to hardcore penitentiaries and how do you avoid gross human rights violations and constitutional violations?
On drug use, I suspect there are plenty of both cases, but I am not a street social worker so I don't know first hand. Just know that I see plenty of crack'd folks and people injecting right in front of me.
On productivity increases being passed down, NO, that is not how it works. Productivity increases start with yourself, getting trained and/or educated to participate in an upwardly mobile (part of) society. You will naturally earn more if you can set up and operate a computer operated CNC machine, than if you are sweeping the floor, at the machine shop. You will be able to jump jobs and earn more if you have real skills, and that doesn't necessarily mean college degree either.
Decriminalization someone else already posted, but it's been a disaster in Norcal, where I recently lived. The local Sheriff dep's told me that the recent break ins in our swanky area were all due to the various props reducing felonies to misdo's.
Funny, here we have constitutional carry, I have an AZ ccw, several handguns suitable for carry, and yet, I don't even carry in my car, let alone on my person, anymore, after only 9 months here. The threat level is relatively so low here in AZ. Yet in CA, where it was impossible to get a carry permit, I felt I truly needed one just walking in my neighborhood at night, again in a good area with good schools. So much gang activity and suspicious characters roaming around.
No, out of control living costs and wage stagnation ACROSS THE COUNTRY is leading to rampant homelessness EVERYWHERE. San Fran no longer has a monopoly on this and the reasons for the homelessness have nothing to do with hippies of the 60's. I bet you that none (or very few) of the homeless in san fran today would tell you that they came there because they heard it was a hippie Mecca.
Best I have been able to read that California is home to over 20% of the nations homeless. Homelessness is NOT a problem EVERYWHERE, just in permissive areas.
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The people that fight meaningful min wage increases and support housing bubbles are the ones directly responsible for 80% of homelessness and near homelessness (some homeless will always be there becuase they want to be and want to drink and do drugs even if there are viable alternatives). But most people dont want to be homeless there just arent viable alternatives (they are looking at getting servile low wage jobs that wont get them out of homelessness (which some may work to buy better tents or for those living out of a car to pad their investment account so they can travel without needing to pan handle.
You are totally wrong! Drug use and mental illness are the two main and overwhelming reasons for homelessness. Minimum wage and housing bubbles have minimum impact on this issue. Homelessness is very visible because of places like San Francisco and Seattle where, due to the policies enacted, are welcomed with open arms and attract these type of people from all over.
SanFran does not have a monopoly on rampant homelessness. The hippie movement is not why there is rampant homelessness today. Lack of income and overpriced real estate is.
By the late 70's it seemed to me the hippie scene was largely gone. There were still head shops selling pipes, black light posters and drug paraphernalia but that was pretty much it
It was during the 80's when local transients/vagrants were christened "the homeless" and the title brought them legitimacy. They weren't to blame. It was the policies of Reagan administration which were the root cause.
But many of the people I saw on the streets were around my age. Mid-20's. They weren't disabled and you could get an apartment at that time for $300. There were jobs.
But the downtown Civic Center turned into one big tent city. It was party time day/night.
Eventually, the City cracked down, the tents removed and the area cleaned up a bit. However, this is when I saw the beginnings of the "homeless crisis."
Today SF is a magnet for transients from around the country. You are free to behave in almost any manner you like except assault someone. This will usually get you arrested.
You can use the sidewalk as a toilet, shoot up/get high almost anywhere and shoplift with impunity. You might have to force yourself past the shop owner while carrying the stolen goods but generally you won't get arrested. Unless you hurt someone physically. That's still a no-no.
Downtown around Civic Center and Powell street is ground zero for such madness.
So the question is are the people homeless because they are drug users or are they drug users because they became homeless?
How do you pass down productivity increases when the entire heart of capitalism is for the capitalist to keep the excess value as profits and pay labor as little as they can get away with?
IF you don't decriminalize petty crimes then how do you deal with all these people, mass construction of prisons? Do these people go to hardcore penitentiaries and how do you avoid gross human rights violations and constitutional violations?
The heart of capitalism isn't to pay labor as little as they can get away with....not sure where you've worked but clearly people are probably paying you for what you are worth.
Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other system in history....is it perfect, nope but it is the best that we have.......it allows you to earn as much as you are willing to learn, work hard and invest in yourself.....more importantly if you don't like your job you can always go someplace else.
I've never let someone else make decisions about my future....I taught my sons to make their own way....to depend on others is to be disappointed.
The one sure thing about socialism is that only a very few elite ever get to be at the top and they live well while the other 95% are all the same at the bottom living miserable lives with no hope to move up......you can't say that about capitalism......look at what we've seen in the last two years....all income levels seeing increasing wages.....that doesn't just happen by accident.
By the late 70's it seemed to me the hippie scene was largely gone. There were still head shops selling pipes, black light posters and drug paraphernalia but that was pretty much it
It was during the 80's when local transients/vagrants were christened "the homeless" and the title brought them legitimacy. They weren't to blame. It was the policies of Reagan administration which were the root cause.
But many of the people I saw on the streets were around my age. Mid-20's. They weren't disabled and you could get an apartment at that time for $300. There were jobs.
But the downtown Civic Center turned into one big tent city. It was party time day/night.
Eventually, the City cracked down, the tents removed and the area cleaned up a bit. However, this is when I saw the beginnings of the "homeless crisis."
Today SF is a magnet for transients from around the country. You are free to behave in almost any manner you like except assault someone. This will usually get you arrested.
You can use the sidewalk as a toilet, shoot up/get high almost anywhere and shoplift with impunity. You might have to force yourself past the shop owner while carrying the stolen goods but generally you won't get arrested. Unless you hurt someone physically. That's still a no-no.
Downtown around Civic Center and Powell street is ground zero for such madness.
Rich people engage in the same behavior but because they have money it’s ok for them to let loose and have a good time smoke weed do coke. They do it in gated communities and that’s ok.
Not all rich people worked particularly hard for their money eithrt. I will agree hard core injection drugs are never good but outside of that who are we to judge.
Rich people engage in the same behavior but because they have money it’s ok for them to let loose and have a good time smoke weed do coke. They do it in gated communities and that’s ok.
Not all rich people worked particularly hard for their money eithrt. I will agree hard core injection drugs are never good but outside of that who are we to judge.
Ah here it comes... the old Bernie/Warren rich people got their money through immoral means and the money must be returned to the proletariat. Yeah none of them actually worked hard, they are all coke sniffing slumlords raising rents on their poor hard working tenants.
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