AZ / Maricopa Covid-19 tracker (casino, groceries, versus)

[Ponderosa]

ABC 15 had a story tonight on how Ducey cooked the books and misrepresented the data to make the situation look better than it is and support his decisions to relax the restrictions.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

ABC 15 had a story tonight on how Ducey cooked the books and misrepresented the data to make the situation look better than it is and support his decisions to relax the restrictions.

That’s terrifying and should be criminal. I’m anxious to see numbers from areas that opened up before ours to gauge how we’ll fare over the coming weeks.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by thinkalot

64 deaths in 2 days but only 14 in Maricopa County.

Navajo Nation is reporting a high amount of cases and deaths considering their vastly rural & sparse population. In fact, they have the most per capita infections in the country outside of New York and New Jersey. This is the main reason why Arizona's case numbers are rising, and it's not too difficult to figure out why. Most of these tribal areas are ripe with poverty, poor health, and unsanitary conditions. A good share of American Indians still reject "white man's medicine" due to them having a permanent chip on their shoulders, which results in a general mistrust of Western medical practices.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

Navajo Nation is reporting a high amount of cases and deaths considering their vastly rural & sparse population. In fact, they have the most per capita infections in the country outside of New York and New Jersey. This is the main reason why Arizona's case numbers are rising, and it's not too difficult to figure out why. Most of these tribal areas are ripe with poverty, poor health, and unsanitary conditions. A good share of American Indians still reject "white man's medicine" due to them having a permanent chip on their shoulders, which results in a general mistrust of Western medical practices.

Our son did an emergency room rotation in NM (Indian Health Services). I asked him why there is such a high outbreak. He said that most people don't realize is that Navaho culture lives in a multi-generational atmosphere. So highly infectious diseases ripple through a community easier when mom and grandma live in the same home. So the "sparse and rural" population will still have a higher elderly and vulnerable population death toll. That's simply because (all things being equal) people will get infected more if you have a higher concentration of people living in the same house.

Plus, it's no secret that there is a high prevalence of diseases like diabetes and TB. That also puts vulnerable communities in harm's way. Finally, they lack the healthcare infrastructure (funds and staff). When our son gets done with his ER residency in the Bay area, both he and his (probable) future wife (also in her residency in the Bay area) are going to work for the Indian Health Services to give back for 5 years. The area could use the help.

Re: rural. The reason behind the infection rate is multivariable. It's no different if you work shoulder to shoulder at a meatpacking plant in the most remote area in the USA (Nebraska and South Dakota) that's not ideal. When you are in close quarters (packed bars, subways, stadiums, plucking feather etc), transmission more easily happens. It's just statistics (N is higher) in combination with what makes the virus transmit faster (being in close proximity with an infected person).

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

ABC 15 had a story tonight on how Ducey cooked the books and misrepresented the data to make the situation look better than it is and support his decisions to relax the restrictions.

Link please?

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Our son did an emergency room rotation in NM (Indian Health Services). I asked him why there is such a high outbreak. He said that most people don't realize is that Navaho culture lives in a multi-generational atmosphere. So highly infectious diseases ripple through a community easier when mom and grandma live in the same home. So the "sparse and rural" population will still have a higher elderly and vulnerable population death toll. That's simply because (all things being equal) people will get infected more if you have a higher concentration of people living in the same house.

A lot of it depends on lifestyle, health, and hygiene as well. If the ones who reside in the same household leave the household & gather in public places where there is a higher risk for infections, then of course they stand a greater chance of becoming sick. This is especially true if their living & social conditions are unclean, and bad hygiene is on display. Let's face it: "Native Americans" are obviously not the cleanest or most advanced people. Their customs & lifestyles are very reminiscent of third world nations, and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Plus, it's no secret that there is a high prevalence of diseases like diabetes and TB. That also puts vulnerable communities in harm's way. Finally, they lack the healthcare infrastructure (funds and staff). When our son gets done with his ER residency in the Bay area, both he and his (probable) future wife (also in her residency in the Bay area) are going to work for the Indian Health Services to give back for 5 years. The area could use the help.

Congratulations to your son & future wife for their service. It should concern you, however, that they're putting themselves at a higher risk by working for Indian Health Services, especially considering how unhealthy & contagious many of those people are. I realize a lot of American Indians' health issues are genetic, but they certainly don't help matters when they allow themselves to live the way they do. It also doesn't help when many of them still reject Western medicine. A lot of this goes back to what I said earlier about the grudge they still hold against the "evil white man" (yet they sure don't reject our government handouts), and it shows immensely in how they neglect basic health care & hygiene. Again, they have themselves to blame.

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Re: rural. The reason behind the infection rate is multivariable. It's no different if you work shoulder to shoulder at a meatpacking plant in the most remote area in the USA (Nebraska and South Dakota) that's not ideal. When you are in close quarters (packed bars, subways, stadiums, plucking feather etc), transmission more easily happens. It's just statistics (N is higher) in combination with what makes the virus transmit faster (being in close proximity with an infected person).

I realize this ... however, there isn't a hell of a lot to do in those remote areas except go to WalMart in the nearest town, or maybe attend church & pray to some superstitious entity in hopes of being saved. On reservations, pow wows and casinos are the big things, but all those places pose just as much of a risk for contamination as anywhere in the cities or suburbs. Obviously, being detached isn't helping in their case, and tribal lands are among the most detached due to being vastly rural. Proves what I said before that city vs. suburb vs. rural means very little in comparison to HOW a person lives.

[teddyearp]

Except this one little thing. While the largest outbreak was blowing up in NY, the major and governor of NY did nothing about it. Except complain that someone should do something about it. They should have shut it off early like China did Wuhan. Instead, a traveling church went through the Navajo nation, causing the outbreak there. Navajos at work and such that I've talked to said that church came from NY. In fact, I bet if they had done so, the outbreak in NJ would not have been as bad.


Just sayin'

[Tall Traveler]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Our son did an emergency room rotation in NM (Indian Health Services). I asked him why there is such a high outbreak. He said that most people don't realize is that Navaho culture lives in a multi-generational atmosphere. So highly infectious diseases ripple through a community easier when mom and grandma live in the same home. So the "sparse and rural" population will still have a higher elderly and vulnerable population death toll. That's simply because (all things being equal) people will get infected more if you have a higher concentration of people living in the same house.

Plus, it's no secret that there is a high prevalence of diseases like diabetes and TB. That also puts vulnerable communities in harm's way. Finally, they lack the healthcare infrastructure (funds and staff). When our son gets done with his ER residency in the Bay area, both he and his (probable) future wife (also in her residency in the Bay area) are going to work for the Indian Health Services to give back for 5 years. The area could use the help.

Re: rural. The reason behind the infection rate is multivariable. It's no different if you work shoulder to shoulder at a meatpacking plant in the most remote area in the USA (Nebraska and South Dakota) that's not ideal. When you are in close quarters (packed bars, subways, stadiums, plucking feather etc), transmission more easily happens. It's just statistics (N is higher) in combination with what makes the virus transmit faster (being in close proximity with an infected person).

Kudos to your son! I don't disagree with anything you said but there's still so much that is not understood or reported about the virus such as:

1. Every nation of Asian descent has a very low infection and deaths....why? We need to understand this.
2. The worst hit areas are NY & NJ as well as Belgium, Italy, Spain....why?

Considering the poor health of these Native tribes and the more communal living would explain their high infection rates for the most part. The best defense seems to be a good immune system.

[YAZ]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

That’s terrifying and should be criminal. I’m anxious to see numbers from areas that opened up before ours to gauge how we’ll fare over the coming weeks.

Equally terrifying are the politicians that decide what's essential and what's not essential.

Gym = Danger

Wal-Mart = OK

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Tall Traveler

Kudos to your son! I don't disagree with anything you said but there's still so much that is not understood or reported about the virus such as:

1. Every nation of Asian descent has a very low infection and deaths....why? We need to understand this.
2. The worst hit areas are NY & NJ as well as Belgium, Italy, Spain....why?

Considering the poor health of these Native tribes and the more communal living would explain their high infection rates for the most part. The best defense seems to be a good immune system.

#1. Because they are healthier.
#2. My guess is that the people who died often were not as healthy or much older AND not healthy. The specific areas are related to a higher concentration of infected people coming into their city.