Phoenix's image problem??? (Scottsdale: appointed, high crime, felony)

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by fcorrales80

EXACTLY...thank you...I wasn't saying that ALL the guns concealed or carried were unloaded, but the main gun and AR's that were displayed by the national media and used for flashy headlines were not load for the reasons you mentioned and because they were a symbolic statement as WAS actually reported correctly. It is funny how people jump to conclusions. LOL, I wonder how many shat their pants realizing that the person with the rifle across his back wasn't a white, stereo-typical "redneck." I think it is also great that we Arizonans didn't feel the need to use his race as an argument piece, but I guess rick lee changed that, LOL! Oh well, it would have eventually came up.

Rick Lee is a newbie from Virginia so that might explain it. But mostly he is parroting crap from the conservative talk radio that tried to wrap race into it. To me it just shows that the gunheads ARE racist in that their publicity stunt was carefully concocted to have this racial angle and they expected a reaction of sorts. When the national press made nothing of it,the hate peddlers decided to anyway.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by movin'on

Yet another astounding post. Gee, just because I'd rather not be around a bunch of people with guns strapped to their backs? Just because I'd prefer to NOT associate with people who feel the need to carry a loaded weapon to a presidential gathering? Wow, you ARE out of touch with what most people would deem to be a reasonable position. Why do you think this stunt got national media attention? Because it was a common place occurrence?

Actually yes it is a common occurrence...people carry their weapons with them all the time with permits and CWP even in places like NYC and Boston. Do they hold a purely symbolic protest in every city...No, nor does their need to be one. The national media is great at using pieced together reporting to make a story flashy and interesting. Those with common sense usually can see through the hypocrisy and piece-meal reporting.

[mohawkx]

Bringing an AR15, semi-auto sporting rifle to a presidential gathering was entirely legal and above board. The participants even checked with the local LEOs prior to the event to insure they were not breaking any laws. It was a staged event to draw public attention to Second Amendment rights. Well, the demonstrator’s succeeded in their mission for wide coverage of their message. The 2nd. Amendment crowd “got it” and thought it was a cool move. Unfortunately, the rest of society didn’t “get it” and consensus is that carrying a weapon to a political rally is actually an affront to the 1st. Amendment. Open carrying a gun to a political gathering tends to color the debate and in all honesty has no place in a political dialogue. 2nd. Amendment advocates have taken a black eye for this “in your face“, legal display. We’ve given those who would subvert the 2nd. Amendment the kindling to light a new fire for their cause and certainly put their underwear in a wad. Which, I think was the original intent of the participants.
Phoenix also took a black eye for the incident but it‘s no big deal. Arizona and Phoenix were perceived as “The Wild West” to the rest of the world before this one instance. Is that image really so bad?

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Rick Lee is a newbie from Virginia so that might explain it. But mostly he is parroting crap from the conservative talk radio that tried to wrap race into it. To me it just shows that the gunheads ARE racist in that their publicity stunt was carefully concocted to have this racial angle and they expected a reaction of sorts. When the national press made nothing of it,the hate peddlers decided to anyway.

Ah, I am not familiar with Rick Lee that explains the surprising use of race from an "Arizonan." Virginia huh? Well it is unfortunate that race is an issue but it is funny how such a slant in the story changes the perception of the event. Not only does that show someone's racist angle, but it also shows the racist angle of the left and "anti-gunheads" as an antithesis to your label.

[movin'on]

Originally Posted by fcorrales80

Actually yes it is a common occurrence...people carry their weapons with them all the time with permits and CWP even in places like NYC and Boston. Do they hold a purely symbolic protest in every city...No, nor does their need to be one. The national media is great at using pieced together reporting to make a story flashy and interesting. Those with common sense usually can see through the hypocrisy and piece-meal reporting.

What I meant is that it is not a common occurrence to B R A N D I S H weapons at presidental gatherings.

At any rate, I have to sign off of this most interesting discussion. I would love to see this topic discussed in, say, the San Francisco forum though or another city where everyone isn't so in love with their guns (btw, I am pro-second amendment. I just see no point in representing one's city like some freak).

[Rick Lee]

I gotta ask why this is called a staged event or publicity stunt, while the ACORN and SEIU bused-in professional protesters from outside of Phoenix and even AZ are viewed as genuine grassroots support.

Ponderosa, I have no idea what you're talking about. The only mention I've heard of this on any radio talk show was the host saying Chris was an idiot for doing so. Anyway, in VA open carry is legal, but will get you harassed by the cops. AZ actually upholds its laws, which I love.

If anyone is going to the tea party on 9/12, expect to see a ton of openly carried guns there. I don't know that I can ride my motorcycle that far with one of my AR's across my back though.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by mohawkx

Bringing an AR15, semi-auto sporting rifle to a presidential gathering was entirely legal and above board. The participants even checked with the local LEOs prior to the event to insure they were not breaking any laws. It was a staged event to draw public attention to Second Amendment rights. Well, the demonstrator’s succeeded in their mission for wide coverage of their message. The 2nd. Amendment crowd “got it” and thought it was a cool move. Unfortunately, the rest of society didn’t “get it” and consensus is that carrying a weapon to a political rally is actually an affront to the 1st. Amendment. Open carrying a gun to a political gathering tends to color the debate and in all honesty has no place in a political dialogue. 2nd. Amendment advocates have taken a black eye for this “in your face“, legal display. We’ve given those who would subvert the 2nd. Amendment the kindling to light a new fire for their cause and certainly put their underwear in a wad. Which, I think was the original intent of the participants.
Phoenix also took a black eye for the incident but it‘s no big deal. Arizona and Phoenix was perceived as “The Wild West” to the rest of the world before this one instance. Is that image really so bad?

Very thoughtfully worded and true for the most part! I also see it as one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't type of situations. Unfortunately, sometimes these secondary responses are ignited. Interesting to see what will happen.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by movin'on

What I meant is that it is not a common occurrence to B R A N D I S H weapons at presidental gatherings.

Carrying and brandishing are two very different things. Brandishing is a crime, carrying is not. You need to get a clue before chiming in on this stuff.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by movin'on

What I meant is that it is not a common occurrence to B R A N D I S H weapons at presidental gatherings.

At any rate, I have to sign off of this most interesting discussion. I would love to see this topic discussed in, say, the San Francisco forum though or another city where everyone isn't so in love with their guns (btw, I am pro-second amendment. I just see no point in representing one's city like some freak).

Well people in San Fran would probably be too busy having sex in the streets at a street festival or doing drugs in the park to really care. LOL! I joke, kind of!

[Boompa]

The guy in New Hampshire and the one in Phoenix with the AR-15 and the Pastor who prays for Obama to die of Brain Cancer are members of "We The People" a Militant Group which is bent on provoking a violent incident with Federal Authorities. If you and your family want to be around when the shooting starts you are on your own and the POLICE OFFICER who dies because of your defense of these Domestic Terrorists is on you