09-01-2009, 07:46 PM
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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movin'on
Yet another astounding post.
Gee, just because I'd rather not be around a bunch of people with guns strapped to their backs?
Allow me to make sure I understand you correctly: You are suggesting that I should not carry my firearm on my person because someone, such as yourself, MIGHT feel ... "uncomfortable" around those with firearms?
Did I portray your position correctly?
09-01-2009, 07:48 PM
Location: Phoenix
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I gotta ask why this is called a staged event or publicity stunt, while the ACORN and SEIU bused-in professional protesters from outside of Phoenix and even AZ are viewed as genuine grassroots support.
Ponderosa, I have no idea what you're talking about. The only mention I've heard of this on any radio talk show was the host saying Chris was an idiot for doing so. Anyway, in VA open carry is legal, but will get you harassed by the cops. AZ actually upholds its laws, which I love.
If anyone is going to the tea party on 9/12, expect to see a ton of openly carried guns there. I don't know that I can ride my motorcycle that far with one of my AR's across my back though
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I'll be there as an anti-tea partier, LOL!
It doesn't bother me to see people on motorcycles or who own guns and I wouldn't want it to bother someone that I am hispanic or in a gay relationship. It's a two way street in my opinion. Actually, my "partner's" friends ride motorcycles and own guns and they don't mind that we "live" together, LOL! Can't we all just get along?
As for the "staged" event, it is just a way to say that it was a planned and organized rally for a specific reaction, etc. The same can be said of whatever other group was there. It wasn't like these people just spontaneously showed up and normally carry their weapons in where ever they go, LOL! In that sense it was very much staged.
09-01-2009, 07:53 PM
Location: Phoenix
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The guy in New Hampshire and the one in Phoenix with the AR-15 and the Pastor who prays for Obama to die of Brain Cancer are members of "We The People" a Militant Group which is bent on provoking a violent incident with Federal Authorities. If you and your family want to be around when the shooting starts you are on your own and the POLICE OFFICER who dies because of your defense of these Domestic Terrorists is on you
I looked up this "militia" and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of its existence. I think it is just media hype and the men with the AR-15's are not bent on provoking anything. Someone is snorting the media cocaine. There were "alleged" ties but I feel it is much more a media hype tool. Innocent until proven guilty right??? boompa...oh wait that is an "old" American "proverb" and should be discarded too...
09-01-2009, 07:55 PM
Location: Cave Creek, AZ USA
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It wasn't like these people just spontaneously showed up and normally carry their weapons in where ever they go, LOL! In that sense it was very much staged.
Well, I carry wherever I go, but usually concealed and never a rifle. But you're right; no one just stumbled upon this event and decided, "Hey, I don't mind standing around for a few hours outdoors in 100 deg. heat instead of going to work or getting home."
09-01-2009, 07:59 PM
Location: Cave Creek, AZ USA
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I looked up this "militia" and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of its existence. I think it is just media hype and the men with the AR-15's are not bent on provoking anything. Someone is snorting the media cocaine. There were "alleged" ties but I feel it is much more a media hype tool. Innocent until proven guilty right??? boompa...oh wait that is an "old" American "proverb" and should be discarded too...
The AZ Rep. had a blurb two week ago about the guy at the NH event, saying he was from Scottsdale. Yup, that must mean AZ is a bad place. In their very far stretch of a connection between him and some "anti-gov't. group", they described this group as calling for resistance of gov't. overstepping its Constitutional authority. Hell, if that constitutes a militia, where do I register? I guess it's more politically correct and socially acceptable to quietly submit to gov't. overstepping its Constutitional authority. Yeah, that's the ticket. If you're against that, you're a wingnut!
09-01-2009, 08:00 PM
Location: Phoenix metro
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Conservatiivism is associated with poor education
Since AZ is technically a blue state, what would you have to say about your dead last place finish in the school rankings last year?
Liberalism is associated with high crime, ridiculous taxes, drug problems, constitutional rights revocation, and last but not least, CORRUPTION.
09-01-2009, 08:02 PM
Location: Phoenix
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Well, I carry wherever I go, but usually concealed and never a rifle. But you're right; no one just stumbled upon this event and decided, "Hey, I don't mind standing around for a few hours outdoors in 100 deg. heat instead of going to work or getting home."
I'm not talking about your handgun or concealed weapon, my bf does that and is a cop, I'm talking about the AR-15's. I don't think you nor those with them at the protest go to work or Wal-Mart with one of those loaded and strapped to your back...but yes a handgun or concealed weapon is something I choose not to have on me but I don't feel it necessary to make everyone think like me, act like me, or to change my guys behavior to mirror mine. As long as someone is safe, prudent, and doesn't commit a crime then they should have their rights. However, once something changes then that sentiment changes as well and the reality is that the law accommodates these human conditions. I had a family member stripped of his gun rights after he was charged with a felony for DUI, hit and run, etc...I happily helped him removed the guns from his property!
09-01-2009, 08:04 PM
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Since AZ is technically a blue state, what would you have to say about your dead last place finish in the school rankings last year?
Liberalism is associated with high crime, ridiculous taxes, drug problems, constitutional rights revocation, and last but not least, CORRUPTION.
How is Arizona a Blue State
The Governor and Both Senators are Republican
The State Legislature, which is responsible for education, is Republican
09-01-2009, 08:05 PM
Location: Phoenix
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Since AZ is technically a blue state, what would you have to say about your dead last place finish in the school rankings last year?
Liberalism is associated with high crime, ridiculous taxes, drug problems, constitutional rights revocation, and last but not least, CORRUPTION.
Interesting sentiments. I'm actually "surprised" to see a Chicagoan with such a list BUT then that just shows my ignorance and I'm glad to be proven wrong. However, Arizona ranked NEAR the last in per pupil spending and not in "school rankings." This is often a misinterpreted fact.
09-01-2009, 08:08 PM
Location: Phoenix
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How is Arizona a Blue State
The Governor and Both Senators are Republican
The State Legislature, which is responsible for education, is Republican
Actually, LOL, the make-up of the elected government officials in Arizona on the federal, state, and local level make up a democratic party in the state that is nearly 70% of the government for Arizona.
On top of that, the governor was appointed and NOT elected. She was appointed by Gov. Napolitano after her appointment by the Obama administration as Secretary of Homeland Security. She was a liberal dem. Brewer "may" run for governor in 2010 but her approval rating is less than 25%. However, her plan for a temporary tax increase for Arizona has a higher rate of approval with 49% in support and 10% "not sure." Senator McCain and Kyl are hardly republican in the "real" sense, LOL! McCain is considered a political anomaly as he was once a democrat, and independent, and then a republican again in order to run for president. The republican party nominated him because they hoped he would draw support from independents, moderate democrats, and of course all the repubs...obviously this strategy failed.
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People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Gee, just because I'd rather not be around a bunch of people with guns strapped to their backs?
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It doesn't bother me to see people on motorcycles or who own guns and I wouldn't want it to bother someone that I am hispanic or in a gay relationship. It's a two way street in my opinion. Actually, my "partner's" friends ride motorcycles and own guns and they don't mind that we "live" together, LOL! Can't we all just get along? 
