PennDOT projects ignore bikes and pedestrians (Pittsburgh, Windsor: 2013, condo, house)

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Snow plows can't control where the snow goes when they plow and roads are certainly more important than a walk being cleared to ride a bicycle.

Main roads are more important than side roads. That's a very good reason to plow the main roads first or to only plow the main roads if there isn't a whole bunch of snow. But nobody uses the side streets as a dumping place for snow from the main roads no matter how much more important they think the main roads are.

If PennDot can't plow the bridge without blocking the sidewalk, they need to plow the sidewalk as part of the job. It's no longer a question of priority, but of PennDot fixing problems it caused instead of pushing them off on one set of people that haven't historically been as likely to complain.

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Originally Posted by Moby Hick

Main roads are more important than side roads. That's a very good reason to plow the main roads first or to only plow the main roads if there isn't a whole bunch of snow. But nobody uses the side streets as a dumping place for snow from the main roads no matter how much more important they think the main roads are.

If PennDot can't plow the bridge without blocking the sidewalk, they need to plow the sidewalk as part of the job. It's no longer a question of priority, but of PennDot fixing problems it caused instead of pushing them off on one set of people that haven't historically been as likely to complain.

Well stated. I also know the sidewalk on the Highland Park Bridge will never be cleared. Heck it is full of litter and debris. This year I will have to clean it myself, which takes about half of a day and I have equipment to do so. I don't have the time to clear the snow though. There is no where to put it except shovel it over to the place it should be in the first place, on the side of the road. People don't realize how long that bridge actually is unless they clean it. Believe me it is SUPER long when on foot. I also know most people don't understand what I am talking about, nor do I expect people to get it.

[gg]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Snow plows can't control where the snow goes when they plow and roads are certainly more important than a walk being cleared to ride a bicycle.

You clearly haven't a clue about snowplowing. Of course they can control where snow goes. It is called speed and angle. Goodness, what is it with you? Don't you understand something that simple?

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

You clearly haven't a clue about snowplowing. Of course they can control where snow goes. It is called speed and angle. Goodness, what is it with you? Don't you understand something that simple?

Sure do understand. What you dont understand is that clearing roads is more important than a few who wanna ride a bike in the snow. They have to angle it to get it off the road and do it in a timely manner. Going slow enough so that it doesn't get on a sidewalk so somebody can ride a bike on it is ridiculous. You've already made reference to them making time and a half. Slower they go the more it costs. Again, until the snow or majority of the snow melts, drive a car. If you must ride a bike I'd suggest carrying a shovel.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Again, until the snow or majority of the snow melts, drive a car. Not a big deal.

Cars cost tens of thousands of dollars. Even a crappy car that you already own free and clear will cost something like $1,000 a year just to keep on the road and insured. If we make it easier to bike or walk, more people can stop driving. This is all for the best in terms of health, the environment, and the U.S. trade deficit.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Moby Hick

Main roads are more important than side roads. That's a very good reason to plow the main roads first or to only plow the main roads if there isn't a whole bunch of snow. But nobody uses the side streets as a dumping place for snow from the main roads no matter how much more important they think the main roads are.

If PennDot can't plow the bridge without blocking the sidewalk, they need to plow the sidewalk as part of the job. It's no longer a question of priority, but of PennDot fixing problems it caused instead of pushing them off on one set of people that haven't historically been as likely to complain.

Side road or main road, they need plowed. The safety of many is far more important than the few who feel riding a bicycle takes precedence.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Moby Hick

Cars cost tens of thousands of dollars. Even a crappy car that you already own free and clear will cost something like $1,000 a year just to keep on the road and insured. If we make it easier to bike or walk, more people can stop driving. This is all for the best in terms of health, the environment, and the U.S. trade deficit.

Not happening. I'd suggest carrying a shovel.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Side road or main road, they need plowed. The safety of many is far more important than the few who feel riding a bicycle takes precedence.

If we actually acted on safety, people would stay home and slow down. You mean "convenience" not "safety." The issue is whether you can drive across the bridge safely at 75 mph or 55 mph, not whether you can cross it safely at all. Trying to save that small amount of time, maybe 30 seconds, has gotten more people killed than all the snow that has ever fallen.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Not happening. I'd suggest carrying a shovel.

But it is happening. More slowly than I'd like, but things have improved greatly in the past couple of decades.

[erieguy]

Perhaps you should round up all the bikers and meet at the city-county building and share your concerns with the powers that be. Complaining here certainly isn't gonna speed up the process.