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Old 06-16-2010, 04:03 AM
 
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I am niot sure they actaully love anyhting that is something free they get from others now days.

 
Old 06-16-2010, 05:13 AM
 
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You have never read the New Testament, have you? I can tell, because you don't know what you are talking about. You don't know what Christ taught, or why he was sent.
Jesus taught a healthy message of rejecting traditional culture (as you aptly point out below), and then teaches messages of loving one another. His recitation of the commandments numbers just six--all of which are secular. He goes on--don't hurt others, don't judge others, forgive those who hurt you, etc.

I have the benefit of reading the bible without the delusion or corruption associated with religion. I'm wonderfully unbiased in my reading.

I cannot say the same of you.

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He absolutely is not "the "embodiment of liberalism"! He was anything but!

The Jews of the day were depending on keeping the law, and their "tradidtions" to save them. Christ taught that it was grace, through faith, not keeping the law, that would save. No one would be saved by keeping the law. Read Galatians. You might also read Romans.


Not only do you say that he is "anything but liberalism," but you go on to show that he is indeed the embodiment of liberalism.

Rejecting the rule of law--another liberal ideology.

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I don't think you know what Jesus taught. You have it all screwed up. The Gospel was about salvation, and a right relationship with God.

I think I probably have a little more knowledge of the Bible than you. But nice try. To bad you flunk!
Jesus taught many things--primary above them being not to hate each other. The entire salvation concept is devised from the idea of not hating each other.
 
Old 06-16-2010, 06:23 AM
 
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There is no confusion no matter how much you attempt to create it. The government must stay out of religion but people can have any private religion they want.

Reality check here-

1. The government IS out of religion
2. Religion IS out of government

There is no church influenced decisions that are made in Washington, nor are there officials of the church in the government.

There ARE, however, nut job liberals who want to remove any mention or referece of God from any public venue. Again, this is not separation of church and state, but is liberal insanity trying to eliminate religion from the US to promote thier socialist agenda. Like the USSR, modern liberals are against any organized religion, as it is a barrier to the spread of marxism. When one has faith in God, one cannot have absolute faith and loyalty to the totalitarian state. Therefore religion is an impediment that MUST BE REMOVED for the marxists to be successful.

The assualt on the church and Christianity under the guise of "separation of church and state" is just a marxist ruse. Wake up. If you only have faith in the government, then God help you. You will need it.
 
Old 06-16-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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Reality check here-

1. The government IS out of religion
2. Religion IS out of government

There is no church influenced decisions that are made in Washington, nor are there officials of the church in the government.

There ARE, however, nut job liberals who want to remove any mention or referece of God from any public venue. Again, this is not separation of church and state, but is liberal insanity trying to eliminate religion from the US to promote thier socialist agenda. Like the USSR, modern liberals are against any organized religion, as it is a barrier to the spread of marxism. When one has faith in God, one cannot have absolute faith and loyalty to the totalitarian state. Therefore religion is an impediment that MUST BE REMOVED for the marxists to be successful.

The assualt on the church and Christianity under the guise of "separation of church and state" is just a marxist ruse. Wake up. If you only have faith in the government, then God help you. You will need it.
You really believe every word of that, don't you?

Squawk squawk.

What's this? A small list SCOTUS rulings on various religious encroachments into government? How can that be?
What's this? Several states in The Union still require religious tests?
What's this? Actual case law showing them to be unconstitutional?

How is any of this possible if religion and government are not intertwined?

I mean, you wouldn't be making this argument if it was something like "In Shiva we trust." No, you would be complaining just as those "nut job liberals" do because your religion isn't the one in with the power and control in the government.

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Old 06-16-2010, 01:04 PM
 
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Because they have common goals.
This book has the answer.
The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America by Andrew C McCarthy
 
Old 06-16-2010, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Reality check here-

1. The government IS out of religion
2. Religion IS out of government

There is no church influenced decisions that are made in Washington, nor are there officials of the church in the government.
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Like National Day of Prayer, like laws written on the premise of a religion or two (for example, it is illegal in Texas to sell alcohol on Sunday), like Gott Mitt Uns... oops, that was in Nazi Germany, our version: "In God We Trust" or "One Nation Under God"...

Yeah, I bet you haven't seen or heard any of that or anything along the lines.
 
Old 06-16-2010, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Like National Day of Prayer, like laws written on the premise of a religion or two (for example, it is illegal in Texas to sell alcohol on Sunday), like Gott Mitt Uns... oops, that was in Nazi Germany, our version: "In God We Trust" or "One Nation Under God"...

Yeah, I bet you haven't seen or heard any of that or anything along the lines.
In incredibly liberal montgomery county maryland, you cannot buy liquor on sundays. In conservative virginia, I can buy liquor on sundays.
 
Old 06-16-2010, 01:19 PM
 
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Like National Day of Prayer, like laws written on the premise of a religion or two (for example, it is illegal in Texas to sell alcohol on Sunday), like Gott Mitt Uns... oops, that was in Nazi Germany, our version: "In God We Trust" or "One Nation Under God"...

Yeah, I bet you haven't seen or heard any of that or anything along the lines.
So ONE country said God with Us and automatically you paint it with fascism. Wow what a genius you are
 
Old 06-16-2010, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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In incredibly liberal montgomery county maryland, you cannot buy liquor on sundays. In conservative virginia, I can buy liquor on sundays.
Why can't someone buy liquor on Sunday in Montgomery county, MD? Sounds like Texas. Why the restriction? Care to guess?
 
Old 06-16-2010, 01:20 PM
 
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Why can't someone buy liquor on Sunday in Montgomery county, MD? Sounds like Texas. Why the restriction? Care to guess?
Gonna go out on a limb here and speculate it has to do with the liberal obsession with "health and safety"
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