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Old 06-15-2010, 12:48 AM
 
Location: southern california
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good question. its a package deal. the self hatred of americans inc anything european origin that is guna be christianity as well. white guilt started out as a reform movement and turned into some sort of ghastly plague of self hatred and shame.

 
Old 06-15-2010, 02:23 AM
 
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I read every single word you wrote, browsed every single link, and I come away thinking that you entirely missed the point. ENTIRELY.
The poster is attempting to make the claim that Christianity is under attack and that "liberals" are trying to inundate the nation with Islam.

Christianity is not under attack, and liberals are not trying to poison this country with Islam.

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The poster was not attempting to assert legal justification, or lack thereof, for the stated issues, but that liberals/atheists have engaged in a concerted effort over the years to seek remedy for the issues that they find too close to government-sanctioned religion.
You're conflating atheism with liberalism. I have never met a liberal who was trying to replace Christianity with Islam (nor expressed love of Islam).

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This is not deniable.
Of course not, but why would the removal of religion from government be a bad thing? It's in the best interest of every religion.

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Plenty of court cases have been lodged to this effect.

All you've accomplished here is providing a little history lesson. Unfortunately, that history lesson does not negate said attempts by liberals/atheists to abscond the US of anything "Godly."
Again, conflating a political ideology with a philosophical POV.
 
Old 06-15-2010, 04:13 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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And in case you don't know, SOME LIBERALS ARE CHRISTIAN TOO.

Got it? Good.
Liberalism is inconsistent with Christianity.
 
Old 06-15-2010, 04:18 AM
 
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Liberalism is inconsistent with Christianity.


Jesus is the embodiment of liberalism. He rejected Jewish tradition, lived deliberately poor, and preached equality, tolerance, and peace--distinctly liberal ideologies.
 
Old 06-15-2010, 04:18 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I hate religion in general. God is love. Religion is the root of all evil. Believe in God over the people.
What a confused message this is. Care to explain that?
 
Old 06-15-2010, 05:41 AM
 
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What a confused message this is. Care to explain that?

Not confused at all.

Poster believes in God.

Religion is not God.


God is not religion.


Belief in god or gods is not religion.

Religion is man made and seldom has anything to do with with god or god-like qualities. It usually distorts , confuses, persecutes. It's clannish, greedy, filled with nasty politics, and corrupt.
 
Old 06-15-2010, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Jesus is the embodiment of liberalism. He rejected Jewish tradition, lived deliberately poor, and preached equality, tolerance, and peace--distinctly liberal ideologies.
That is a gem.

Today meanwhile you have the evangelicals preaching you can forget about that whole camel going through the eye of the needle bit.

Be as darn greedy, materialistic and self centered as you want in this life, and then we'll still let you in the pearly gates!! And throw in some leather seats...

Now how is that for a deal??
 
Old 06-15-2010, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Murfreesboro (nearer Smyrna), TN
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Really? Even the Christian liberals?

Yes, they exist--who else would feed the hungry, and clothe the naked? Not conservatives who say, "This is MY money."
That is absolutely WRONG !!!

Study after study shows that Conservatives give to charity far more than liberals, many of whom (not necessarily you) say everyone should pay more in taxes. Anyone who believes that should not take any tax deductions or if they do, they should mail the money back in to the gov't. We don't mind helping people. In fact we do more of it that the other side. We just don't want the money STOLEN from us for the supposed "better good".

Charles
 
Old 06-15-2010, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Murfreesboro (nearer Smyrna), TN
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Jesus is the embodiment of liberalism. He rejected Jewish tradition, lived deliberately poor, and preached equality, tolerance, and peace--distinctly liberal ideologies.
Yes, he preached tolerance, NOT acceptance (of some things) which seems to be one part of the mix the libs keep ignoring.

Charles
 
Old 06-15-2010, 07:43 AM
 
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That is absolutely WRONG !!!

Study after study shows that Conservatives give to charity far more than liberals, many of whom (not necessarily you) say everyone should pay more in taxes. Anyone who believes that should not take any tax deductions or if they do, they should mail the money back in to the gov't. We don't mind helping people. In fact we do more of it that the other side. We just don't want the money STOLEN from us for the supposed "better good".

Charles
Studies say, or you say? Arthur Brooke and his methodology has significantly glaring problems. He does, however mention, that liberals give more when religious donations are excluded from the numbers of both political parties. Giving to your church is hardly charitable.

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Yes, he preached tolerance, NOT acceptance (of some things) which seems to be one part of the mix the libs keep ignoring.
And Jesus said love God and love others as you love yourself. Loving is acceptance, not just tolerance.
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