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Old 06-27-2010, 02:19 PM
 
Location: NC
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Word, but then again you don't have to start your life with huge amounts of debt. The number one goal of college today is to get the student in debt, and having them spend the rest of their life being a slave to that debt. The cost of college in this country is immoral, the fact that they allow so many get in debt, especially now days with there being no jobs basically. You have American kids spending thousands or taking thousands in debt, while they give jobs to Chinese and Indians on H1B visas.
Sorry, but I just don't buy this. There are plenty of ways to graduate college with little to no debt and plenty of colleges that are very reasonable.
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:25 PM
 
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On average, a person with a college degree makes more money than those without. But a degree does not "make the person". It simply opens doors...
This.

Statistically you'll make a lot more with a college degree, and with a 2 year degree over just high school. There are a million exceptions of person with degree in communications working at Foot Locker versus no degree making $27/hour as skilled union welder, but generally speaking college degree is a better position to be in.

That doesn't mean people with the degree are smarter or the people without are dumber, but it's a factor in your success that cannot be ignored.
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Sorry, but I just don't buy this. There are plenty of ways to graduate college with little to no debt and plenty of colleges that are very reasonable.
Sure, there are ways to get around the high price of college, but most college students are 18 years old when they start, and they don't think things through when making choices. I just don't think college today is what it once was. We as a country don't create enough high end jobs to keep up with the amount of college graduates. That is why I think it is immoral for colleges and society to not warn kids about the possibility they will not have a job waiting for them when they come out of college, and they will most likely be saddled with a good amount of debt.
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:35 PM
 
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Where are people getting this "doesn't mean they are smarter" thing? That's not what I was saying. I simply said, I despise people who complain about their minimum wage job when they could have changed it by getting an education.
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Old 06-27-2010, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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If education was cheaper, it would be available to more people. Who wants to go into debt just to get an education or a home?

That's the same reason that some people are content to NEVER own a home, because it brings with it a mortgage and debt. The only reason I got MY education is because of the military--and I was able to save the remainder. I can't afford to go into debt--moiney I haven't earned. Don't own any credit cards either.
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Old 06-27-2010, 03:33 PM
 
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I know people that make over $100000 a year without needing a degree.
Me.
The majority of friends I have that are in mid to upper level management do pretty well day to day, but get pretty beat down by that office environment. No thanks.
I have a degree in general studies, had to get that just to check the box while in the military. Never relied on it other than that.
College can be overrated in my view, as long as you're not scared to work.
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Old 06-27-2010, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Where are people getting this "doesn't mean they are smarter" thing? That's not what I was saying. I simply said, I despise people who complain about their minimum wage job when they could have changed it by getting an education.
What about the people who DID get a college education--and are still working at McDonald's because they couldn't find any work in their field? Maybe they put themselves out there, but weren't in the top 10% or whatever, so they weren't able to be competitive?

Or maybe it's true that getting a job is more about WHO you know than about WHAT you know.
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Old 06-27-2010, 03:41 PM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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Honestly, nowadays getting into a high paying job does mean you merely have to network moreso than anything. I went to college for a couple years, didn't get my bachelor's. But one of the companies I applied to, one of the HR women was someone I knew from school by meeting her a few times, and she saw me on Linkedin. It's always gonna be a crapshoot. The degree can help, but don't take it as a guarantee of a career.
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Old 06-27-2010, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Statistics prove today that higher levels of education do in general lead to higher salaries. As we continue to see the costs of higher education skyrocket, and the jobs move to other countries in many fields however, this dynamic may change in the coming decades.

Younger adults starting their careers may in fact be better served learning a professional trade, for job security and a decent living. Especially if they would have to saddle themselves with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to get that degree.
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Old 06-27-2010, 04:02 PM
 
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Statistics prove today that higher levels of education do in general lead to higher salaries. As we continue to see the costs of higher education skyrocket, and the jobs move to other countries in many fields however, this dynamic may change in the coming decades.

Younger adults starting their careers may in fact be better served learning a professional trade, for job security and a decent living. Especially if they would have to saddle themselves with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to get that degree.
So far, no one has introduced the option of self-education, so I will.

Problems with certification?

Form over substance, again?
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