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Old 06-27-2010, 04:09 PM
 
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Are sheepskinned people more sheepish than the non?

I think they are.
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Old 06-27-2010, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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This has always crossed my mind. I have had some friends who never went to college. They work minimum wage jobs like at Mcdonalds or at a grocery store. They often times complain and gripe about their job and about how they aren't making enough money and in my mind I think "well then you should have gone to college and you might be a lot hapier" It just bugs me and then I've had people in those jobs who have told me that college can't be anywhere near as hard as working at a grocery store, mcdonals, etc. it just really grinds my gears when people complain about their minimum wage jobs when they had the choice to go to college and try to make the best of life. I don't know if I'm the only one who feels this way or not. I am not talking about people who do construction, or work in mines, or dangerous jobs like that. I am talking about the people that work these so called "hard" jobs at fast food chains, stores, etc.
My uncle is a self made millionaire a few times over and never finished college.

Everybody is different.

Not everybody who goes to college does well in life and not everybody who doesn't go/doesn't finish does poorly.

If you're bad with your money it won't matter what your education level is.
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Old 06-27-2010, 04:13 PM
 
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Word, but then again you don't have to start your life with huge amounts of debt. The number one goal of college today is to get the student in debt, and having them spend the rest of their life being a slave to that debt. The cost of college in this country is immoral, the fact that they allow so many get in debt, especially now days with there being no jobs basically. You have American kids spending thousands or taking thousands in debt, while they give jobs to Chinese and Indians on H1B visas.
Being in debt is what properly qualifies you, as what the central banks consider, a human resource.

Banks don't make as much on debtless persons.
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Old 06-27-2010, 04:14 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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This has always crossed my mind. I have had some friends who never went to college. They work minimum wage jobs like at Mcdonalds or at a grocery store. They often times complain and gripe about their job and about how they aren't making enough money and in my mind I think "well then you should have gone to college and you might be a lot hapier" It just bugs me and then I've had people in those jobs who have told me that college can't be anywhere near as hard as working at a grocery store, mcdonals, etc. it just really grinds my gears when people complain about their minimum wage jobs when they had the choice to go to college and try to make the best of life. I don't know if I'm the only one who feels this way or not. I am not talking about people who do construction, or work in mines, or dangerous jobs like that. I am talking about the people that work these so called "hard" jobs at fast food chains, stores, etc.
If you went to college, I couldn't tell it by your writing. Is that the best you can do?

I have known many people that did not go to college that have done very well for themselves. It depends on many factors, not the least of which is ambition.

There are just as many people, perhaps who have gone to college who cannot tie their own shoes. They can't seem to do anything, and also wind up in low paying jobs.

So, your premise is wrong. Go back and try again.
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Old 06-27-2010, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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So far, no one has introduced the option of self-education, so I will.

Problems with certification?

Form over substance, again?
A lot of workplaces consider the institution where you earned the degree. Self-education is not as highly considered as a university degree. People find they get to a certain level and then need that degree to even be considered for a promotion. Then to go higher, they require an MBA. At least this is the way it is in Corporate America... "Fair" or not.
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Old 06-27-2010, 04:15 PM
 
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Let me straighten you up on a few things. Many people do not have the academic aptitude to go to college. And you are in luck because I am one such person. I just lectured someone yesterday concerning his going to college. I told the person that he could do so much more with his academic abilities. I said to him that he never had any trouble scholastically going to college whereas I never could have dreamed to do much beyond high school.

I was lecturing him because I'm the guy who seems to have a measure of determination and willpower, not him. But yet I wasn't the one who had a chance at a college education.

If you want to take your analysis a bit more, you could say that these days us non-college guys have fewer chances at things like auto or steel manufacturing. We can't even get jobs for $11 an hour as landscapers because illegal immigrants are doing those jobs for $7.50. Hence, many of us are working at McDonalds for $8. But the answer was not, and never could be college.
galileaoSmith, anyone who can write a post as well as this one has the cognitive ability to go to college. As I read your post you didn't convince me that you have a lack of aptitude. It must be something else, but I don't think it's your aptitude. It starts with you believing in yourself.
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Old 06-27-2010, 04:17 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Let me straighten you up on a few things. Many people do not have the academic aptitude to go to college. And you are in luck because I am one such person. I just lectured someone yesterday concerning his going to college. I told the person that he could do so much more with his academic abilities. I said to him that he never had any trouble scholastically going to college whereas I never could have dreamed to do much beyond high school.

I was lecturing him because I'm the guy who seems to have a measure of determination and willpower, not him. But yet I wasn't the one who had a chance at a college education.

If you want to take your analysis a bit more, you could say that these days us non-college guys have fewer chances at things like auto or steel manufacturing. We can't even get jobs for $11 an hour as landscapers because illegal immigrants are doing those jobs for $7.50. Hence, many of us are working at McDonalds for $8. But the answer was not, and never could be college.
I will say this: You write better than the OP.
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Old 06-27-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The illegal immigration thing is true to an extent. If you don't want to go to college fine, just stop complaining about not having enough money, when you(I mean everyone in general) had the chance to change your life. College takes work, true, but even the most unmotivated people can make it through. I've seen it before. When you begin college, just think how wonderful it will be when your out and that's motivation enough.

My ex friend was griping about how hard her job at the store was as a seafood clerk and then gets on my case when I tell her how stressed I am from college. She said "Pfft college can not be as stressful as working as a seafood clerk" I'm sorry, a seafood clerk is hard? If that's hard, then I doubt they could actually handle a real career.
Many college grads cannot find jobs in their chosen fields. They wind up with low wage jobs.

Secondly, many college grads expect to jump right into a top level job in their field, with no experience whatsoever! When no one will hire them, they go to work for McDonald's.

I think there is a lot more to this that you are overlooking. Try again.
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Old 06-27-2010, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Here
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galileaoSmith, anyone who can write a post as well as this one has the cognitive ability to go to college. As I read your post you didn't convince me that you have a lack of aptitude. It must be something else, but I don't think it's your aptitude. It starts with you believing in yourself.
When I was in the 1st grade I was put in the "slow" reading group because initially I had a tough time mastering reading fundamentals. A kid could advance to the "intermediate" reading group and then to the "advanced" reading group as his reading skills progressed. I was one of a couple of kids who never got out of the slow reading group by year's end.

As the years went by, my school grades got poorer and poorer. I could study for two hours at a stretch, three nights in a row for an American History final exam and get a 61%. I flunked several courses, taking them a second time in summer school.

It's not that I'm dumb. But reading is not easy. It's slow-going. However some people have suggested that I seem to write well because my "reading style" makes me concentrate on the nuances of the written language. And writing on a keyboard really helps what with pre-formed letters that can be found in the same place each time a particular letter is needed.

But unlike what you suggest, "believing in myself" has nothing to do with it. And college was never in the cards.
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Old 06-27-2010, 04:44 PM
 
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This has always crossed my mind. I have had some friends who never went to college. They work minimum wage jobs like at Mcdonalds or at a grocery store. They often times complain and gripe about their job and about how they aren't making enough money and in my mind I think "well then you should have gone to college and you might be a lot hapier" It just bugs me and then I've had people in those jobs who have told me that college can't be anywhere near as hard as working at a grocery store, mcdonals, etc. it just really grinds my gears when people complain about their minimum wage jobs when they had the choice to go to college and try to make the best of life. I don't know if I'm the only one who feels this way or not. I am not talking about people who do construction, or work in mines, or dangerous jobs like that. I am talking about the people that work these so called "hard" jobs at fast food chains, stores, etc.
My take is this: the more people that go to college the less valuable having a degree becomes. So I'm fine with people not going. They can complain all they want about wages etc, but when their position does't require special skills or knowledge they are easily replaceable and their wage will stay low.

Also, many occupations have no need of a degree. It would be a waste of time and money. Certain skilled trades for example. Personally I think college is over-emphasized these days. Everyone and their dog has a business degree to the point they are a dime dozen. Degress should make one stand out, not blend in. College is good, but many go for the sake of going and not for actually maximizing their skillset.
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