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In this country, every one is entitled to their own individual values and equal protection under the law as long as your exercise of your rights do not interfere with anyone else's. The Constitution is silent on marriage as the state has no compelling interest in it. The word "family" not appear there either. So what.
Well gosh... one must seriously start to ponder why we even have a Supreme Court, because that was just so easy! How is it that you have neatly cut this Constitutional Gordian Knot while 230 years of American jurisprudence has missed that "plain" truth so completely?
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"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
Having elevated yourself to a position of Constitutional Interpreter superior to that of Thomas Jefferson, I persist in my bemusement.
You are a really funny guy!
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A Critical Examination of Deism By banning from public expression the beliefs of Christians and Jews, while pandering to every other belief systems including Islam in California public schools or environmental religion, is clearly a violation of the intention of the Constitution.
You too are a funny guy.
For Christ's sake, it's a letter! not a law.
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"Judeo Christian values" Since when did judeo christians have the patent on moral values? There is a system of moral values in China, Japan(Shintoism), India, Buddhist countries etc. Some would have you believe that the world would be a completely lawless planet if the judeo christians hadn't come along and installed their values. Moral values are a result of human experience and common sense not because judeo christians gave humanity the gift of "moral values". fundimental christians tend to over estimate their contribution to humanity and underestimate the strife and discord created by their Godly claim that all other religions are false except theirs.
There is a huge difference between 'sharing' one's beliefs and attempting to force others to live by YOUR beliefs by enacting them into law.
I've noticed that MANY liberals tend to have a hair-trigger when it comes to religion. It doesn't take much at all for them to perceive that a person is trying to "force" their religion on them. Well, liberals, I'm sick of liberals trying to FORCE this country into debasement by eliminating standards of decency and morality all in the sacred and holy name of equality. I'm tired of liberals (or at least the liberal political ideology) trying to tear down the industry of this country, making us dependent on other countries for our goods and services. I'm tired of the liberal government trying to assert more and more control to the point that we become a mere re-creation of the Soviet Union. One other thing the Sovie Union had in common with liberalism....religion was frowned upon to the point that it became illegal to practice.
Here it comes, time for the "Oh yeah? But, but, but"
Bring it on.
I've noticed that MANY liberals tend to have a hair-trigger when it comes to religion. It doesn't take much at all for them to perceive that a person is trying to "force" their religion on them. Well, liberals, I'm sick of liberals trying to FORCE this country into debasement by eliminating standards of decency and morality all in the sacred and holy name of equality. I'm tired of liberals (or at least the liberal political ideology) trying to tear down the industry of this country, making us dependent on other countries for our goods and services. I'm tired of the liberal government trying to assert more and more control to the point that we become a mere re-creation of the Soviet Union. One other thing the Sovie Union had in common with liberalism....religion was frowned upon to the point that it became illegal to practice.
Here it comes, time for the "Oh yeah? But, but, but"
Bring it on.
In response to the first part of your post I respond with the fact that our country was founded on the principle of equality rather than religious dogma as to what is decent and moral. IE: "We Hold These Truths to Be Self Evident, That All Men Are Created Equal". Who decides what is decent and moral, You?
Then, the second part of your post I bolded, please give me one example of liberalism banning the practise of any religion. Whereas I can give you numerous examples of right wing Christians attempting to curtail the freedoms of other religions in this country. The Mormons come immediately to mind, in the historical context.
I've noticed that MANY liberals tend to have a hair-trigger when it comes to religion. It doesn't take much at all for them to perceive that a person is trying to "force" their religion on them. Well, liberals, I'm sick of liberals trying to FORCE this country into debasement by eliminating standards of decency and morality all in the sacred and holy name of equality. I'm tired of liberals (or at least the liberal political ideology) trying to tear down the industry of this country, making us dependent on other countries for our goods and services. I'm tired of the liberal government trying to assert more and more control to the point that we become a mere re-creation of the Soviet Union. One other thing the Sovie Union had in common with liberalism....religion was frowned upon to the point that it became illegal to practice.
Here it comes, time for the "Oh yeah? But, but, but"
Bring it on.
You must live in a totally different country than me.
I am a liberal, a successful entrepreneur with a healthy income, uphold standards of decency and morality, do nothing to debase decency and morality. I am not a Bolshevik, for real. I employ people and vote Democratic but not all the time. I voted for Bill Weld. I support equal rights and due process for ALL Americans, don't YOU?
Its is my right to 'frown upon' religion too. Is it NOT? When I hear demagogues like Glenn Beck espouse religion, you bet I frown. He's a a cryptofascist scum-sucker low-life liar. My farts have a higher IQ than him. But I digress...
What I do hear from you is someone vilifying all those like myself who are morally righteous and yet somehow unimaginably liberal. They are not exclusive domains but conservatives now again seem to think they have the market cornered on 'values'.
How dare you suggest I am a communist, a socialist or adding to the debasement of our society. If anyone sold this country to the lowest bidder is was the Republicans, you ninny, if you actually knew anything about the last 30 years which were dominated by Reagan / Bush economics. They off-shored your job to China buddy, not some liberal bogeyman.
In any event, you are imagining things, pal.
I mean REALLY who the heck are YOU???? TO say ME and MY kind made this country nearly uninhabitable for the likes of you. How have YOU personally been affected by anyone else's freedom? There are hundreds of thousands of places to worship in this country. Sheesh.
Am I to be subject you your inquisition?
Q: Do I support "GAY MARRIAGE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????? HUH????????
A: I support equal rights for all and all protections under the law shall apply equally to all American citizens.
In fact when I say the pledge of allegiance favorite part of it is "...with Liberty and Justice for ALL". I get all choked up about that idea. I bet you do too.
Just what is your beef exactly with equality? You sound like an angry white guy.
Liberals are happier people I've come to observe.
Love me, I'm a liberal. Damned proud of it. It actually makes me a true Conservative, wanting LIMITED government and LIBERTY for ALL. Damned proud of that too.
There is a huge difference between 'sharing' one's beliefs and attempting to force others to live by YOUR beliefs by enacting them into law.
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I've noticed that MANY liberals tend to have a hair-trigger when it comes to religion. It doesn't take much at all for them to perceive that a person is trying to "force" their religion on them. Well, liberals, I'm sick of liberals trying to FORCE this country into debasement by eliminating standards of decency and morality all in the sacred and holy name of equality. I'm tired of liberals (or at least the liberal political ideology) trying to tear down the industry of this country, making us dependent on other countries for our goods and services. I'm tired of the liberal government trying to assert more and more control to the point that we become a mere re-creation of the Soviet Union. One other thing the Sovie Union had in common with liberalism....religion was frowned upon to the point that it became illegal to practice.
Here it comes, time for the "Oh yeah? But, but, but"
Bring it on.
Only have one question for you - where do you see disdain for religion in my above post? Because I happen to be a Christian. Just because I don't want to be compelled to worship by someone else's religious rules does not mean I "hate religion".
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