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Bill :YOU are the one that will likely vote to ban social security so our elderly friend here, who depends on FS wont get that or the FSProgram....
Are you going to tell your mother : Feed yourself mom, you are 82 years old....shame on you...
Actually, you have that half right.
I would vote to eliminate Social Security, or at least to let people privatize part of it if they want to. The sytem is going broke, and everyone knows it, but wants to either pretend it's going to magically fix itself, or simply ignore the problem for now and let the next generation deal with it. Guess what? I'm part of the generation that's not expected to be able to get out of it as much as we put in. I should be allowed to stop feeding that monstrous everhungry beast.
Contrary to the picture you want to paint, however, I would never suggest denying benefits to somneone that paid into the system to provide them. He paid into the system because he had to, and as a result he should be allowed to draw from that system exactly what he was promised.
My dear "other" and I have thought about this very scenario. We thought about showing up at our oldest son's house for thanksgiving and just not leaving when the visit was over. Bring our bags and the cat and just stay. We laughed for a bit over that vision.
Hell we sacrificed for years to make sure he grew up healthy and educated. We paid for his college, we paid the down payment on his first house. We're lucky if we get a card for Christmas. Now his generation is rumbling about cutting medicare, elimininating social security and monitoring what foods we buy because it's their money. What about all the money we invested in this generation?
If 20 million seniors showed up at their kid's door and refused to leave, you watch how fast the generation of no changes their tune. "OH no! don't you dare reduce my mother in laws social security check and let the b#t!h eat anything she wants." That's what they'd say, for sure.
My wife & I fully expect to care for our parents as they age, just as they cared for their parents. We wouldn't expect or want any government agency to deal with that for us.
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This is going to sound hard and cold & cruel to some. So be it.
You were responsible enough to get to your golden years without enough money to feed yourself. So when "the government" hands out money for people to buy food, it should be the basics, the necessities, and those who take it should say "thank you", not "This isn't good enough". Because after all, you are buying that food with MY money, in part. And without sounding too heartless, I'm not interested in buying you a coffee cake, or a lobster tail.
On the otherhand, if you spend your FINITE FOOD STAMP payment on lobster tail, how many other meals must you skip so as to not run out of money before the end of the month? If the defined benefit is $300/month, who cares what they buy?
My wife & I fully expect to care for our parents as they age, just as they cared for thier parents. I wouldn't expect or want any government agency to deal with that for us. It's unfortunate that your son doen't have the respect & love for you that he should, and expects me to buy you snacks.
Well, you're a highly principled and compassionate young man as far as your immediate family is concerned and are to be complemented for your largesse.
some have collectively decided that if you disagree with how the FS program is currently run that you are a food nazi who wants to starve children, old folks, and the poor.
Fact:
From USDA (This is what the tax dollars are appropriated for):
Facts About the Food Stamp Program
"The amount of SNAP benefits you can get is based on the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Thrifty Food Plan, which is an estimate of how much it costs to buy food to prepare nutritious, low-cost meals for your household."
and what is already banned:
"SNAP benefits cannot be used to buy:
Any nonfood item, such as pet foods; soaps, paper products, and household supplies; grooming items, toothpaste, and cosmetics
Alcoholic beverages and tobacco
Vitamins and medicines
Any food that will be eaten in the store
Hot foods "
Note there is no mention of pogie bait, soda, chips, etc.
Opinion: We could certainly add other items to the banned list simply based on the 'nutritious' definition. Or if ya'll honestly believe that the junk foods being discussed are necessary to prepare "prepare nutritious, low-cost meals" then should we perhaps also allow snuff, chewing tobacco, pot, and cocaine? All have nutritional value (calories) don't they? And it certainly would help some of the 'victims' feel less deprived, after all if the economy hadn't gone south they could afford to buy their own.
On the otherhand, if you spend your FINITE FOOD STAMP payment on lobster tail, how many other meals must you skip so as to not run out of money before the end of the month? If the defined benefit is $300/month, who cares what they buy?
And when enough people complain that their monthly food stamp payment isn't enough, and their kid is always humgry by the 26th, the payments will be increased for EVERYONE in the system. Guess who gets to pay for that?
My wife & I fully expect to care for our parents as they age, just as they cared for their parents. We wouldn't expect or want any government agency to deal with that for us. It's unfortunate that your son doesn't have the respect & love for you that he should, and expects me to buy you snacks.
Couldn't rep you again Bill.
The attitudes are depressing - where did we lose the faith as a society?
This is going to sound hard and cold & cruel to some. So be it.
You were responsible enough to get to your golden years without enough money to feed yourself. So when "the government" hands out money for people to buy food, it should be the basics, the necessities, and those who take it should say "thank you", not "This isn't good enough". Because after all, you are buying that food with MY money, in part. And without sounding too heartless, I'm not interested in buying you a coffee cake, or a lobster tail.
This is going to sound uber political to some. So be it.
The food stamp program is set up like it is to benefit farmers as well as the recipients. That is something people seem to like to put behind them. The more money people spend on food, the better it is for the farmers. Farmers do grow more than produce, as we discussed previously. (Just thought I'd mention it again so someone wouldn't bring it up again.) Corn is used mainly for animal feed, but also for corn syrup and the old bogeyman, high fructose corn syrup. A lot of Illiniois corn farmers would lose their subsidies, or at least part of their subsidies, if soda were banned. (I used to live in the corn belt of Illiniois, that's why I used them as an example.) Wheat is used for flour. It doesn't matter to the farmer from Kansas is the bread is made from white flour or wheat flour, s/he wants people to use flour. I remember once having a conversation with my DH about Bob Dole, the senator from Kansas, a HUGE supporter of the food stamp program. I said I heard that Dole was genuinely concerned about hunger. DH said, yes, he's concerned about hunger in Kansas farmers.
IF food stamps were restricted to certain items, with the philosophy that reciepients pay cash for foods that "our" brigade here on CD thinks appropriate, food stamp appropriations would go down. The subsidy to the farmers would go down. Capiche?
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Originally Posted by thenewtexan
Yes. We are the only nation in the world where poor people are obese. This is driving up health care costs for EVERYONE. Child obesity is rampant and we should not have to fund it. Pure and simple.
I'd like to see some data for that. Let's not compare ourselves to Sub-Saharan Africa. Childhood obesity, while a concern, is only an "epidemic" in the words of the media.
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Originally Posted by Bill Keegan
My wife & I fully expect to care for our parents as they age, just as they cared for their parents. We wouldn't expect or want any government agency to deal with that for us. It's unfortunate that your son doesn't have the respect & love for you that he should, and expects me to buy you snacks.
It's really cruel to claim that someone's family doesn't love them just to make a political point. Are you and your wife's parents going to refuse Medicare/Social Security so you can support them?
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Originally Posted by kevinm
On the otherhand, if you spend your FINITE FOOD STAMP payment on lobster tail, how many other meals must you skip so as to not run out of money before the end of the month? If the defined benefit is $300/month, who cares what they buy?
I have said this for years. If at the beginning of the month, a lot of FS sales go to high end products, that just means less available at the end of the month.
Food stamps are simply a political tool to elect the politicians (Democrats) that push the program. Nothing more nothing less. It's not even debatable anymore.
Not that it matters to the discussion, but....
Creme brulee is custard with a cooked sugar crust. And yes, it is French.
The custard with caramel sauce is a Flan, and it's Spanish.
You are correct , burned sugar as in CARAMELISED............
personally I use a small blowtorch when I make it LOL
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Couldn't rep you again Bill. 
brigade here on CD thinks appropriate, food stamp appropriations would go down. The subsidy to the farmers would go down. Capiche?
