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Here's the cold reality (and this post is going to have some splinters in it, because I'm copy/pasting it from another thread, as I don't want to re-type the whole thing to clean it up. The gist remains clear)
At some point the cord needs to be cut, and those who are perpetually unemployed need to be left to either sink or swim. I would rather the money be spent on welfare programs for these people which will hopefully shame them into being more amenable to finding work under less than ideal conditions (lower pay, forced relocation, etc.) than I am to simply extending their benefits until their dream job comes along. The issue with the W tax cuts is that the majority of this country (the middle class) wants to extend them....but only for them. It's real easy to sit in the catbird seat and claim that you should keep your tax cuts (not you, per se, since you aren't working), but that those who worked the hardest and became the most successful should now be forced to wholly subsidize those at the bottom. Again, it's not unreasonable to take a stance of "if you're going to eliminate the cuts for some, eliminate the cuts for all".
You state for every job, there are 5 applicants. If you're unemployed for 99 weeks, and you do the minimum 3 resume submissions a week, that means over the span of that 99 weeks you have sent out 297 resumes, and have not been able to beat out 4 other applicants for a job even *one* time. And really, that's all you need to do - convince ONE employer that you are better than the other 4 people. At what point do you look in the mirror and decide that the problem is what's staring back at you? It's not like you need to hit 10 in a row. You need 1 out of 300. I get that for every person at the top, there has to be another person equally close to the bottom, but after 99 weeks, you should have done enough to pull yourself up out of the bottom to become one of those at the top.
Lastly, you can claim that the system favors "the rich", but as a member of "the rich", I've got a couple of little facts for you:
1) 35% of my paycheck goes to my dear old Uncle Sammy right off the top. Most of that tax money goes to services I don't utilize. Then you add in my max-level contributions to Medicaid and Social Security (of which I'll never see a dime back on), etc.
2) The top 5% of earners in this country account for almost 65% of all tax revenue that's brought in. The middle 45% account for 35%, and the bottom 50% not only contribute nothing, but get paid to be there. That's not structured "in my favor". Just because "I can afford it" (a tax increase reducing the money I earn for working to pay for you to not work) doesn't mean I should "have to pay it". I can afford to buy a boat and sail to Antarctica while wearing a diamond-studded speedo. Doesn't mean I should.
Like I said, it's real easy to sit in your recliner playing Halo telling me I should be on board with giving you another 6 months of unemployment benefits. But the reality is while I would rather be at home playing a game, I'm sitting in an office right now to keep my own lifestyle going, and a decent chunk of what I'm earning is being funneled away for those not contributing to the system to be able to play Halo and enjoy the other services provided. It's always easier to reach into someone else's pocket than to go into one's own. It's also real easy to claim that the system should be restructured so that you get what you want, at the expense of poking someone like me in the eye with a stick because there are less people like me than there are people like you.
Well since this thread has been degraded to judgments and accusations..........
WOW you almost have me feeling bad for rich people!
It would be a courtesy toward "lazy" unemployed playing Halo if you rich people out there working hard to maintain your "lifestyle" could take your bragging somewhere else, why pour salt in a wound? It's plain uncalled for. Do you know how easy it is for you to sit there and play judge and jury to half the country? There will always be freeloaders, what a riveting point, move on. Shame on you, take it elsewhere.
The GOP are sooooo concerned with the economy and the deficit, so concerned that they are demanding the tax breaks that will add millions to the deficit they are so concerned about. I feel their pain - another multi millionaire being taxed fairly! Gosh! The only thing the GOP are ever concerned about is profit, period.
The GOP are sooooo concerned with the economy and the deficit, so concerned that they are demanding the tax breaks that will add millions to the deficit they are so concerned about. I feel their pain - another multi millionaire being taxed fairly! Gosh! The only thing the GOP are ever concerned about is profit, period.
and the [MOD CUT] are only worried about discriminating against a certain group, and playing a class war
either extend the tax cuts FOR ALL..or let them lapse FOR ALL
why cant liberals stop playing games
and unemployment should not be extended again...even the [MOD CUT] say we are in a recovery...jobs are out there...enough with the entitlements
obama is proposing 3 more 'freetrade' agreement..so you can kiss somemore jobs away
Ok, I have an hour to kill, I'm in....
To workingclasshero: The bush Era Tax rates have been in effect for 10 years now. They were supposed to have created jobs. Obahma took over his debacle 2 years ago. Tell me, where are all these jobs after 10 years?...
As for Obahma, I'm not all defending him, in fact i think he's a spinless S.O.B.
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To workingclasshero: The bush Era Tax cuts have been in effect for 10 years now. They were supposed to have created jobs. Obahma took over his debacle 2 years ago. Tell me, where are all these jobs after 10 years?...
As for Obahma, I'm not all defending him, in fact i think he's a spinless S.O.B.
dude
the tax cuts didnt make the jobs go away..in fact they did increase REVENUE TO the government
jobs have been leaving, the biggest push on jobs leaving is the so called freetrade agreements of the liberals
nafta passed by a democrat controlled congress in 1993 signed by clinton into law
there have been a dozen 'freetrade' agreements since..to include senator obama's OFTA (freetrade with Oman (a saudi country) go figure that one))
40 million jobs have gone out of this country since 1994
republican / democrat/ liberal what ever..they are killing this country
the bush/clinton/bush/obama policies are killing this country....and people like pelosi (funny how she even EXEMPTED the somans of HER OWN compay) from the minimum wage increase)
sorry but the socialist (globalist) agenda is not good for what we have been, and what we once were
40 million jobs have gone out of this country since 1994
republican / democrat/ liberal what ever..they are killing this country
the bush/clinton/bush/obama policies are killing this country....and people like pelosi (funny how she even EXEMPTED the somans of HER OWN compay) from the minimum wage increase)
My name is Gabriel, not dude thank you !!!!
I agree with the quotes above btw. The United States is on the verge of poverty.You and I are both pawns playing right into the politicians hands. It is time for the people to stand together and help each other rather than to fight amongst each other, regardless of our beliefs. Something needs to be done and done fast!
Quoted above all three posts, nothing taken out of context except 1st par. from original post talking about unemployment in general.
Sorry to have upset you, Matt, but I still don’t get your point. You collected 26 weeks’ state benefits, 20 weeks of Tier 1 for a total of 46 weeks, which is a lot more than those who were laid off in May or June of this year are going to get without further extensions and who are in states not offering EB. You still have the almost certainty of EB in WA state unless there is something in your application that would be cause for denial of EB.
Yes, there is a process to apply for EB, but WA state is one of ONLY TEN STATES offering EB when the legislation expires. People in the remaining 40 states do not have EB much beyond the end of December.
So, I’ll stand by my statement. Yours is not the worst scenario. People losing their initial 26 weeks' benefits in states without EB after November 27th are most unfairly impacted. For now, until Congress allows ALL unemployed the option of 99 weeks, it is a matter of timing as to how much one can collect.
Sadly, life is not fair.
And I will stand by my convictions that you misrepresented what I was saying by taking my sentences out of context! I do have the worst case scenario when EUC runs out, in the hardest hit state for construction and construction workers!
All states were not affected the same Ariande22! That is why some states never even had EUC! That is why some states never had EB. That is why EB is basically looked at on a week to week basis! It is not guaranteed beyond maybe 3 weeks when they notify you it is cut off as well. They take official comparisons of unemployment percentage from the previous year. If they hit a certain official percentage of unemployed workers, then they notify everyone they have 3 weeks left.
I am sorry your state is doing better than mine with the unemployment rate, but obviously it stands to reason, that yes I have the worst case scenario! I live in one of the top ten states with the most unemployment, I work in an industry that is mostly the reason for our top ten worst unemployment states, and I just got cut off EUC because my tier ended this week and not last week! Please tell me how I am, and I quote you "one of the lucky ones"?
Have to agree with you Ariadne, Matt has hardly the worst scenario by a long shot. With UE extensions as we know, timing can be critical as to what you can get when.
and to reiterate as you said, life isn't fair.
Perfect example of how my original post was taken out of context! Thank you for making me laugh when I have the worst case scenario. Read on for details, maybe you will learn something rather than just blindly agree with another who blindly sees. There is a bigger picture and I did say there are people worse off. You just need to educate yourself with original posts before blindly agreeing with people that take things out of context and spread it.
I HOPE THEY DO NOT CONTINUE THE UNEMPLOYEMENT BENEFITS.NOT AGAINST ANYONE RECIEVING BENEFITS. JUST THINK WHEN THE LAW SAYS 26 WEEKS IT SHOULD BE 26 WEEKS. WHY CHANGE THE LAW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME, I feel cheated had i known the government was going to pay for so long i would have become unemployed a long time ago!
dude
the tax cuts didnt make the jobs go away..in fact they did increase REVENUE TO the government
Funny since deficits soared and debts doubled after the tax cuts.
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
nafta passed by a democrat controlled congress in 1993 signed by clinton into law
Yet somehow, amazingly with the GOP in control of Congress for over a decade, nothing was done about it. How could that possibly be?
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
sorry but the socialist (globalist) agenda is not good for what we have been, and what we once were
Empty radio talk with no data to support your claim. Right now corporations are posting the highest profits since we began keeping track of them. Hoarding cash while not hiring. Yet people like you think we should continue to cut taxes because this time it will create jobs.
In the meantime the CBO has put out a report that concluded that UE benefits will actually do more for the economy than cutting taxes. By ending them you are not only turning off people's life line (and no this isn't solely about the 99ers, this is about anybody who is on UE and is eligible for another tier of UE) you will be taking away stimulus from a fragile economy. Not too intelligent, but that's the GOP for you: Claiming one thing while doing exactly the opposite.
GOP Logic: Sure we should pay down the deficit, right after we cut taxes and add another 700 billion to the deficit. Makes sense right? At the same time, the people who need help the most...screw 'em. We know that our zealots will attack them and paint them out to be lazy welfare types, while the rest of America won't remember any of this two months from now anyway. As long as we protect corporate interests, keeping in mind Americans have the memory of a gnat, that's all that matters.
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Originally Posted by gysmo
I HOPE THEY DO NOT CONTINUE THE UNEMPLOYEMENT BENEFITS.NOT AGAINST ANYONE RECIEVING BENEFITS. JUST THINK WHEN THE LAW SAYS 26 WEEKS IT SHOULD BE 26 WEEKS. WHY CHANGE THE LAW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME, I feel cheated had i known the government was going to pay for so long i would have become unemployed a long time ago!
It's the only time in the history of this country that UE has not been extended during a recession. Only the Republicans could be so cold hearted towards their fellow Americans. You think people pulled together during other hard times, or do you think they shyt on one another like the GOP advocates today?
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