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I'm a physician so I don't know where you are getting your information but it's wrong. I'm not debating you, I'm telling you the facts, you can choose to listen or ignore it. Steroids are not safe even in small amounts when taken chronically.
There are MANY different types of steroids and not all of them are extremely dangerous. Nandrolone, for one is a pretty mild and is considered pretty safe. The KEY is to cycle it, monitor blood work, and use post cycle therapy such as various herbs to normalize hormonal production.
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The excess testosterone that is produced gets converted to estrogen and leads to increased fat deposition which then leads to a host of metabolic disorders such as atherosclerosis and peripheral vascular disease. You don't have to take these "wrecklessly" for these effects to occur.
This all depends on what steroid you use, but regardless, if you do what I said above you should not have any problems.
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Of course steroids will never be completely eliminated but you are kidding yourself if you think the majority or even the overwhelming majority of athletes are taking it.
I have contacts with pro athletes, and world class coaches, and I can assure you professional sports is rife with steroids usage; it starts in collage/High school. At minimum, atheates need to use steroids to help them RECOVER quickly.
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We all saw what happened in baseball when they cracked down on steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. Players showed up to camp a lot lighter, home runs were down, it was pretty obvious that use declined considerably when the league came down on it.
This does not mean that people stopped using steroids.
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There are a lot of misinformed people like yourself that intuitively think steroids are harmless in small doses when they don't understand the pathophysiological mechanisms of how they work. This battle is worth fighting because high school kids abuse steroids in greater numbers since drug screening is rarely done at the high school level and misinformed teenagers will try to get an edge thinking it's harmless
Sorry to break the news to you, but world class coaches, trainers and athletes are AHEAD of the knowledge curve when it comes to steroids, and the effects of it. Their laboratory is the track, weight room, and baseball field.
Doctors like you spew memorized misinformation from a textbook and report it as a fact when you have had ZERO real world experience under your belt.
Long story short should be why did Bush, a supposed conservative and Republican set up more government regulation? Aren't Republicans against government regulation? Aren't you soooo sick of government telling us what we can and cannot put into our bodies?
Professional athletes should be setting an example of optimum health and vitality for the impressionable young people who look up to them, not sending a message that they need these drugs in order keep their performance up to par.
You're not a championship athlete, so you just don't understand. It's not an athletes job to "set an example" for young people, that's YOUR job as a parent!
And as far as athletes using drugs, athletes should be able to use anything that will increase their performance or maintain it.
So who cares, in moderation, dbol and deca probably won't have long term effects so long as they're stacked right and not cycled for 12 months. I've found that bodybuilders know their body better than doctors anyway. John Doe taking steroids to improve himself physically is better than his cousin Jake Doe smoking two packs of Reds and drinking half a bottle Tequila everday.
What do you mean "probably" won't have long term effects? It absolutely will have long term effects. What you guys don't understand is this is not a debate. These are facts that have been well established. Pick a copy of a physiology text book or a pathophysiology textbook. It's like arguing with the laws of physics. This is human physiology. When you take these steroids and they lead to the formation of excess testosterone in your body, the body converts that to estrogen. That is a proven fact that occurs in every human being. Does this not make sense to you?
The bodybuilders you talk to are in their 20's and 30's so how would you know how these drugs will impact them 30 years later? These effects take a long time to reach. You don't develop cardiomyopathies overnight. This is not like saying "Yeah, I talked to Phil in the gym the other day and he has been doing deca for a month and feels great so he knows more than those stupid doctors"
So you'd rather take advice on steroid use from weight lifting magazines, and saying the doctors have a hidden agenda? That's like asking a heroin addict if heroin is a dangerous drug!
This has to be one of the craziest medical conspiracy theory threads I have read in a while. Ask any person with severe asthma, or other medical condition that requires regualr use of steroids, and they will describe to you just how unpleasant they are, and that if they had a choice they would never take them again.
The other reason why steroids should never be OTC is the insiduous behavioral changes they induce. Anyone I have ever known who has taken them on the quiet is blissfully unaware of the behavioral changes taking place.
Would you like me to post the stats of how many people who are killed from the medical industry every year? There are books written about it.
People today have every reason to be afraid of a doctor! They over prescribe powerful medication, they prescribe medication that conflicts with other medication, and the medication itself causes all kinds of nasty side effects.
"Merck yanked Vioxx on Sept. 30 because a new study had found a higher rate of heart attacks and strokes in patients taking the drug than in those on a placebo."
They can't respond back by disputing the mechanisms of how they work or support their arguments with peer reviewed randomized double blind research studies supporting their causes. They only support their arguments with anecdotal tales which essentially means nothing.
They don't respond back because they know your "research" is JUNK science. You people come up with the result that you want, then market it as if it were the truth.
So you'd rather take advice on steroid use from weight lifting magazines, and saying the doctors have a hidden agenda? That's like asking a heroin addict if heroin is a dangerous drug!
Exactly, what do you expect these steroid body builders on this thread to say? Of course they are going to rationalize their choices by making weak arguments to support their lifestyle much like smokers will defend their habit by saying that most lung cancer patients never smoked. It's just a psychological defense mechanism to defend what they know is obviously wrong. All drug addicts apply the same type of thinking
Would you like me to post the stats of how many people who are killed from the medical industry every year? There are books written about it.
People today have every reason to be afraid of a doctor! They over prescribe powerful medication, they prescribe medication that conflicts with other medication, and the medication itself causes all kinds of nasty side effects.
"Merck yanked Vioxx on Sept. 30 because a new study had found a higher rate of heart attacks and strokes in patients taking the drug than in those on a placebo."
You are advocating ingestion of a (in this case) recreational drug that has horrendous side effects. If your aim is to be bald, impotent, infertile, develop large breasts, heart disease and prone to enraged outbursts, then have at it.
You are advocating ingestion of a (in this case) recreational drug that has horrendous side effects. If your aim is to be bald, impotent, infertile, develop large breasts, heart disease and prone to enraged outbursts, then have at it.
Exactly, you have nothing more to say.
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