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You are well aware that causes of death are listed as physiological causes, such as cardiac failure, or cardiomyopathy, which would be secondary to steroid use, that is why you are pushing the point. Nice attempt at a "gotcha", but please don't bother. If you want to use steroids, then feel free, but to delude yourself that there are no serious side-effects is, well, it's deady-delusional.
I'm still waiting for your statistics in regards to the calims you made.
Oh, do I need to find ANOTHER drug that KILLED thousands of people? Will you say that was an "accident" too?
So what about the Gardasil vaccine, is that another "accident"?
Records Document 3,589 Adverse Reactions Related to Gardasil between May 2009 and September 2010, Including 213 Cases Resulting in Permanent Disability
As of September 30, 2010, there have been 56 U.S. reports of death among females who have received Gardasil. Thirty of these reports have been confirmed and 26 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. Confirmed reports are those that scientists have followed up on and have verified the claim. In the 30 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine.
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Well, I do know certain chemicals can help increase your cognitive capabilities.
That is not the point. If you you want to go around making claims that steroids are dangerous, and that the usage of steroids has killed many people, you should post information to support your claim regardless if people want to read it or not. Otherwise, just let us know that your information is nothing more than theory and conjecture.
Does steroids have to kill someone to be bad? So if it leads to cardiomyopathies, infertility, cirrhosis, diabetes, adrenal insufficiency, chronic pancreatitis, Cushings syndrome, mood instability, polycythemia, and osteoporosis...that's okay?
Ever heard of quality of life?
Furthermore, when a person dies of heart failure secondary to hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, it's not going to be listed as the person dying due to anabolic steroids. We really have no idea how many deaths are attributed to chronic steroid use. If an anabolic steroid user dies of hepatoangiosarcoma (liver cancer), the CDC is not going to list that death as a result of steroids. There is a difference between steroid related deaths and death as a direct result of steroid use as in the young athletes who died of sudden cardiopulomary failure due to anabolic steroid use.
Furthermore, when a person dies of heart failure secondary to hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, it's not going to be listed as the person dying due to anabolic steroids. We really have no idea how many deaths are attributed to chronic steroid use. If an anabolic steroid user dies of hepatoangiosarcoma (liver cancer), the CDC is not going to list that death as a result of steroids. There is a difference between steroid related deaths and death as a direct result of steroid use as in the young athletes who died of sudden cardiopulomary failure due to anabolic steroid use.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say, but you are more eloquent!
Oh, do I need to find ANOTHER drug that KILLED thousands of people? Will you say that was an "accident" too?
So what about the Gardasil vaccine, is that another "accident"?
Records Document 3,589 Adverse Reactions Related to Gardasil between May 2009 and September 2010, Including 213 Cases Resulting in Permanent Disability
Well considering your source is "Judicial Watch" I think I will take those statistics with a grain of salt considering Katiana trumped your stats with evidence from a reputable source...the CDC. Here it is again
"As of September 30, 2010, there have been 56 U.S. reports of death among females who have received Gardasil. Thirty of these reports have been confirmed and 26 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. Confirmed reports are those that scientists have followed up on and have verified the claim. In the 30 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine."
You do realize that everyone's body has the same physiological processes. We all require oxygen to breathe. You don't breathe underwater do you? You still require food and oxygen to survive correct? Are you really that ignorant to think someone's body doesn't convert testosterone to estrogen when that is a basic human physiological function? Seriously talk about an assinine argument!
Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that nicotine increases vasoconstriction and leads to hypertension. That even happened in your grandma whether or not she suffered consequences from it. That is a fact in all humans. It doesn't change the fact that smoking increases one's risk of developing lung cancer and a host of other diseases, that doesn't mean someone is for sure going to contract that disease but you can't know that in advance because "you know your body" Your body is not going to tell you now whether you will develop pulmonary fibrosis or lung cancer later
Where did you learn this....at GNC or from one of your friends in the weight room? You think you can just conveniently take some pills that will offset this. Seriously, you need to see a endocrinologist before it's too late because you've received a lot of bad advice.
How long have you been doing it...5 years? How old are you 29? Talk to me when you are 60
Really, so you saw their lipid profiles? Did you come to this conclusion based on them not having the words "liver damage" written on their forehead? Do you know their glucose levels? I've seen patients on chronic steroid use develop pancreatitis and pancreatic cancer let alone diabetes, cirrhosis and cardiomyopathies.
I'm 38 years old and why you continue to argue my point is beyond me, I said steroids are dangerous but I tell you what, I'll find 15 guys between the ages of 65 and 70 and we'll cycle steroids and HGH for 16 out of 24 weeks and you can have 15 guys ages 18-24 and you can stack Big Macs with french fries and any other fast food crap that fat asses eat today and after the approx 6 months my guys will be better, stronger, faster, with more libido than they had in years and will never have boobies, lets compare cholestorol as well. Your guys will be fat out of shape slobs on their way to having heart attacks. Typical. Game over jackass, no matter what you say, how ignorant and demeaning your attacks might be I still win. I'll out live you, sorry. Here endeth the lesson.
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Does steroids have to kill someone to be bad? So if it leads to cardiomyopathies, infertility, cirrhosis, diabetes, adrenal insufficiency, chronic pancreatitis, Cushings syndrome, mood instability, polycythemia, and osteoporosis...that's okay?
Ever heard of quality of life?
Furthermore, when a person dies of heart failure secondary to hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, it's not going to be listed as the person dying due to anabolic steroids. We really have no idea how many deaths are attributed to chronic steroid use. If an anabolic steroid user dies of hepatoangiosarcoma (liver cancer), the CDC is not going to list that death as a result of steroids. There is a difference between steroid related deaths and death as a direct result of steroid use as in the young athletes who died of sudden cardiopulomary failure due to anabolic steroid use.
Azriverfan, being that you're such a big fan of western medicine, you have some nerve to tell me about quality of life.
Have you ever seen what cancer patients have to endure as they go through treatments.
Katina, that's not the point of this thread. Look it up if you want to know. But I know you already know, being that you are familiar with health care, so why are you even asking me?
I'm 38 years old and why you continue to argue my point is beyond me, I said steroids are dangerous but I tell you what, I'll find 15 guys between the ages of 65 and 70 and we'll cycle steroids and HGH for 16 out of 24 weeks and you can have 15 guys ages 18-24 and you can stack Big Macs with french fries and any other fast food crap that fat asses eat today and after the approx 6 months my guys will be better, stronger, faster, with more libido than they had in years and will never have boobies, lets compare cholestorol as well. Your guys will be fat out of shape slobs on their way to having heart attacks. Typical. Game over jackass, no matter what you say, how ignorant and demeaning your attacks might be I still win. I'll out live you, sorry. Here endeth the lesson.
To me HGH is such a waste of money. The real stuff will cost you about 30k a year.
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You think you can just conveniently take some pills that will offset this. Seriously, you need to see a endocrinologist before it's too late because you've received a lot of bad advice.
