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The bag was NOT what leaked! When that seal is broken, the urine flows on it's own. There is no 'control' by the body as we feel it. It's a constant slow flow. The bag was NOT what leaked! Can you not get this through your mischaracterized head?
If you don't know the process how can you claim the bag should have been emptied? The seal on the skin was broken and the urine leaked from that point. The bag was NOT what leaked!
Again, the bag was NOT what leaked!
Of course the bag didn't leak. I never implied that the bag leaked. I feel like Alice in Wonderland with all these bizarre responses.
If the man emptied the bag prior to going through security he would have been fine. You do know that 30ml is not enough to make urine soak this man as he claimed right?
Silly, use your head. Thirty mls is a MINIMUM PER HOUR. A healthy adult kidney will output more than that. A rule of thumb is 1ml/kg/hr. If the man is 100kg, or, 200 lbs approximately, then thats about 100ml per hour. And it oozes constantly from the stoma site. It takes time to get a new bag on, and while he was struggling to do that under the horrible circumstances, that urine just keeps right on coming. That's plenty of urine to soak a person. Not to mention, even if he had emptied his urostomy bag, as you keep banging that drum, by the time he waited in line to be examined, there would be some significant amount of urine in his bag.
You do know that, right?
You have lost this battle but you just won't give it up. The man is right; the TSA agent is wrong, and I hope there will be a whopper of a lawsuit and the first of many of its kind.
Were you present? From your post it sounds like you were an eyewitness.
No, but based on what was said it was handled very wrong. He did tell them it was there and ask care be given. They did not. And did not even bother to offer an apology. What he should or should not have is less important than the tsa people were totally insensitive and uncaring and he had no reason to have been treated that way since he had done nothing but buy a ticket and plan to take a trip.
Listen what they did and how they handled it were wrong. Period. I've had interactions with these clowns and they're more than a little ridiculous.
Was the guy drenched? Probably not. Was he mortified? You bet.
Even though he probably wasn't soaked in urine as someone who changes nephrostomy tubes all day I can tell you that sometimes the smell can be enough to make your eyes burn. Now imagine that on a flight for 5 hours.
Of course the bag didn't leak. I never implied that the bag leaked. I feel like Alice in Wonderland with all these bizarre responses.
Well if the bag didn't leak, then why did you feel the solution was to have an empty bag? Are you distinguishing between a "leak" as in, a hole in the bag, vs. a "leak" as in a spill from the bag? I think we all know that the bag didn't have a hole in it, so you must know that "leak" in this instance means "spill."
Either the urine is coming from the bag, during a spill (leak), or it is coming from the stoma, which is uncontrollable and unpreventable, or it is coming from both (most likely scenario).
Listen what they did and how they handled it were wrong. Period. I've had interactions with these clowns and they're more than a little ridiculous.
Was the guy drenched? Probably not. Was he mortified? You bet.
Even though he probably wasn't soaked in urine as someone who changes nephrostomy tubes all day I can tell you that sometimes the smell can be enough to make your eyes burn. Now imagine that on a flight for 5 hours.
Good point about the smell. But I have to say, I think it is entirely possible that the guy got a good soaking.
Good point about the smell. But I have to say, I think it is entirely possible that the guy got a good soaking.
Yeah you know your probably right those bags do fill up pretty quick now that I'm thinking about it. Not only that they usually clip on to the stoma, they must have hit it pretty hard.
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