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Liberal mentality.. Support taxes.. Thats their only solution....
In a perfect world, everyone would be healthy and not overweight. If people would really look after their health, we probably wouldn't have a looming healthcare crisis. That's not reality, and I don't want to know a future, where we keep going down this road where we're not watching out for people that keep getting sick and the eldery. We need to start finding viable solutions now, and Obamacare is a step in the right direction atleast.
Conservative mentally that 'taxes' and 'inflation' are the worst things ever..
Taxes or not, there are other ways to lose money.
If the dollar declines cause of mismanagement, you're losing purchasing power and overall hit to the money you have. I'd rather pay an increase in 3% taxes than see the dollar drop 8 cents. Politics and the Declining Dollar - Newsweek#
With the state struggling cause they refuse to raise taxes in Texas. They'll get it from you in other ways too. I don't believe for a second, it's not motivated by city debt.
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Inflation isn't always bad. Read about deflation (which we faced the last few years) and liquidity traps
do you realy think that a singlepayer system will lower what a doctor charges????
when you pay a doctor $100 for a visit, you are not just paying the doctor..you are paying his nurse, his receptionist, the billing clerk, the electric company, the supply company, the equipment company, the lease/mortgae holder, the gas/oil company, the landscaper, etc
DOCTORS, hospitals, etc STILL NEED TO MAKE A LIVING TOO......btw the average hospital spends over 380,000 a MONTH just on electricity...that's over 4.5 million a year just to 9ower the building...then you have the custodial workers, and the food workers, and the laundry, and the water....thats before you even talks about technicians, nurses, doctors, and specialists
many, many hospitals are going BANKRUPT
.....will UHC lower that cost....NO
doctors are going bankrupt.....Ventu Medical Group has filed for bankruptcy, closing its doors to more than 1,000 patients.
meanwhile there is a doctor and nurse shortage in america
do you really think a singlepayer system will lower the cost of a MRI machine??? how are you going to NATIONALIZE manufacturors too????
I hope people read that article. Then go and say with a straight face how insurance is a business and they deserve to charge you substancial premiums because you are a threat to their profit or that they should have the right to deny you, but then turn to the people who are faced with high premiums or are denied and say with a straight face they are irresponsible or have their priorities mixed because they don't have insurance.
As I said earlier. The insurance companies are not to blame it is the GOVERNMENTS that are to blame.
Look at any industry where the government has gotten involved and you will see run away prices and reduced quality. Look at Government backed student loans for example. When I was in college in the late 70's tuition was $4000 or so per year for a nationally recognized private university. Now it costs more than 15 times as much. Has the quality of education there gone up? If anything it has come down. Before government got involved the schools offered student loans. If kids or their parents couldn't pay the tuition from summer jobs they could get assistance, through the school.
Enter government backed student loans. The schools are guaranteed to get their tuition because the government is backing it. Too bad for the student who graduates with a college degree and $200k worth of debt thanks to colleges jacking up their tuitions.
Medical care is the same way. That is why you can pay $3500 (or $250 if you know where to look) for the same MRI. It is all a big racket. Hospitals know they can get away with it because the insurers will pay and government regulations are such that sometimes the insurers are forced to pay before they can even review whether the claim is legitimate or fraudulent. TRANSPARENCY is desperately needed in the medical field.
So no car insurance too? The reason they're 'forcing' you to buy it is cause if insurance companies can't deny you for preconditions, then
Wrong.. they reason they force you to buy car insurance is to protect OTHERS.. If you wreck into someone else and cause THEM damages, you are insuring THEM..
Health insurance is to protect YOU.. Sorry, the government isnt there to protect you from yourself.. they are there to protect you from others..
Also, not everyone is required to buy car insurance.. Yes, there are self insurance policies available and yes, certain people of wealth, can quality to be car insurance exempt...
The car insurance analagy is so flawed, that I cant believe people are still using it..
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then people would just buy insurance right before they need major work, while not paying into the system honestly, which would bankrupt the insurers.
Thats EXACTLY describes Obamacare.. Pay your $500 fine every year.. and because they have precluded pre-existing conditions, when you get sick, buy healthcare and get coverage.. You admitted a second ago this is bad. Do you still support Obamacare?
do you realy think that a singlepayer system will lower what a doctor charges????
Thats where liberals went wrong on this one..
If they were wanted to "fix" the cost of healthcare, they would have called for a nationalization of the hospitals.. I might have bought that their services are similar to police, fire, etc.. We are afforded medical treatment but paying for that we are not.. So if the government ran the hospitals (god forbid) then we all would receive treatment.. Payment for that treatment would then have been taxable, i.e. as a government service..
Medical care is the same way. That is why you can pay $3500 (or $250 if you know where to look) for the same MRI. It is all a big racket. Hospitals know they can get away with it because the insurers will pay and government regulations are such that sometimes the insurers are forced to pay before they can even review whether the claim is legitimate or fraudulent. TRANSPARENCY is desperately needed in the medical field.
Insurers will pay? Check out my thread here. My appendix operation (one night in the hospital stay) had a bill of 30k, insurance settled for 10k.
do you realy think that a singlepayer system will lower what a doctor charges????
when you pay a doctor $100 for a visit, you are not just paying the doctor..you are paying his nurse, his receptionist, the billing clerk, the electric company, the supply company, the equipment company, the lease/mortgae holder, the gas/oil company, the landscaper, etc
DOCTORS, hospitals, etc STILL NEED TO MAKE A LIVING TOO......btw the average hospital spends over 380,000 a MONTH just on electricity...that's over 4.5 million a year just to 9ower the building...then you have the custodial workers, and the food workers, and the laundry, and the water....thats before you even talks about technicians, nurses, doctors, and specialists
many, many hospitals are going BANKRUPT
.....will UHC lower that cost....NO
doctors are going bankrupt.....Ventu Medical Group has filed for bankruptcy, closing its doors to more than 1,000 patients.
meanwhile there is a doctor and nurse shortage in america
do you really think a singlepayer system will lower the cost of a MRI machine??? how are you going to NATIONALIZE manufacturors too????
1. car insurance is mandated at the STATE level...not federal
2. car insurance can deny you coverage...if you have too many accidents or tickets
insurance is not care
My point is that you're forced to buy insurance in most states for cars. Nobody likes it, but we see the purpose and auto insurance isn't absolutely unaffordable.
The problem with healthcare insurance is that we're having a larger baby boomer population about to get old and need care. It's going to be costly for insurer's and most likely they'll find a way to drop those people making healthcare highly unaffordable and a nightmare.
Also, when you can't get insured for auto insurance and can't drive your own car, you have a public option.
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You have no problem with Governmet profiting though do you? Remember, Obamacare is supposed to run a "surplus" reduce the national deficits right? Isnt that the liberal argument to support it? So yes.. They are generating a profit are they not or there wouldnt be a surplus..
No outrage over that ha?
I do disagree with that situation. Taxes for a safety net should only go to the safety net and transparity and oversight to make it happens should be enforced.
I am one of the first to criticize government and say how it can be a self serving beast but that doesn't mean government can't work for the people if used properly.
Just because we are nation of individual rights doesn't mean we can't come together for certain solutions when that may be the best solution.
As I said earlier. The insurance companies are not to blame it is the GOVERNMENTS that are to blame.
Look at any industry where the government has gotten involved and you will see run away prices and reduced quality. Look at Government backed student loans for example. When I was in college in the late 70's tuition was $4000 or so per year for a nationally recognized private university. Now it costs more than 15 times as much. Has the quality of education there gone up? If anything it has come down. Before government got involved the schools offered student loans. If kids or their parents couldn't pay the tuition from summer jobs they could get assistance, through the school.
Enter government backed student loans. The schools are guaranteed to get their tuition because the government is backing it. Too bad for the student who graduates with a college degree and $200k worth of debt thanks to colleges jacking up their tuitions.
Medical care is the same way. That is why you can pay $3500 (or $250 if you know where to look) for the same MRI. It is all a big racket. Hospitals know they can get away with it because the insurers will pay and government regulations are such that sometimes the insurers are forced to pay before they can even review whether the claim is legitimate or fraudulent. TRANSPARENCY is desperately needed in the medical field.
Tuition costs rise because government funding is being cut. Schools need to fill in the gap somehow. Additionally schools have to offer more and more to remain competitive. Nicer dorms, apartments, more technology etc. Not to mention student activity areas. Its all an effort to recruit students to attend. Simple example: no school nowadays is not going to have WiFi in its dorms. Look at some of the recruiting pamphlets for schools. Think about how much is wasted on non acedemic items. Then think about the cost of apartments near a campus, typically much more expensive because landlords know they can charge more. Competition to recruit students drives the cost of school attendence up. (oh lets not forget transportation costs to rotation sites, $4/ gallon is pretty pricey and rotation sites are not centrallized, thats two years of driving all over the place). Over 50% of costs are due to cost of living, much of which is overinflated.
Lets consider interest being paid on student loans. Its difficult, if not impossible to pay on loans while in residency, so there is a minimum of 3 years of interest on student loans, then consider the high rates of interest. Are student loans cheaper through the private sector? Doubtful, otherwise students would be going to them for better interest rates. All that interest is more money that doctors have to pay out that will just be passed on to consumers.
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